Gun Control

[KenMcCoy]

depends on the context... if you're comparing total deaths via cars to total deaths via guns, you'd have to look at how often they are used. millions of people drives cars in close proximity to other people on a daily basis. in that sense, they are not comparable to guns that are tucked away in gun safes or fired on some weekends at a range.

Americans buy between 10-12 Billion rounds of ammo a year. We've already established that I'm not a statistician...so would you say gun deaths (minus suicides)/per million rounds fired is similar to auto accident fatalities/per million miles?

[KenMcCoy]

But an AR15 is the exact same thing as a pillow to you since both can be used to kill.

Yep...it all depends on who's behind the AR or the pillow.

[Pavlov]

Americans buy between 10-12 Billion rounds of ammo a year. We've already established that I'm not a statistician...so would you say gun deaths (minus suicides)/per million rounds fired is similar to auto accident fatalities/per million miles?

How many people are killed by moving goalposts?

[RandomGuy]

You are OK with killing as long as it's up close and personal?

A gun is a tool, made for one thing, and one thing only, the imparting of a large amount of kinetic energy on something, usually living.

Trucks are tools, with uses other than that.

Not a valid comparison.

[Pavlov]

Yep...it all depends on who's behind the AR or the pillow.

Would you rather be attacked from 400 yards away by a guy with a pillow or a guy with an AR15?

[KenMcCoy]

How many people are killed by moving goalposts?

We're so deep into this, I've forgotten what the goalposts are. The last thing I remember is you suggesting that guns should be controlled the same as automobiles and I agreed. Now you seem to have a problem with it.

[DMC]

A gun is a tool, made for one thing, and one thing only, the imparting of a large amount of kinetic energy on something, usually living.

Trucks are tools, with uses other than that.

Not a valid comparison.

Yet trucks go outside of their design purpose to kill more people than guns kill, which according to you is their design purpose. The large majority of guns never live up to their design purpose, according to you.

[lebomb]

Using deaths by other causes to justify the continued use of ARs by citizens to mass murder is pretty

Good argument

[KenMcCoy]

Using deaths by other causes to justify the continued use of ARs by citizens to mass murder is pretty

Good argument

Are you mad that people are murdered? Or that people are murdered with guns?

[KenMcCoy]

Would you rather be attacked from 400 yards away by a guy with a pillow or a guy with an AR15?

At 400 yards? I'll take my chances with either. That's right at the beginning of the effective range of an AR.

[Blake]

Las Vegas - 422 injuries from gunshot wounds

Nice - 434 injured

No, you don't get to discount the indirect injuries.

[Blake]

At 400 yards? I'll take my chances with either. That's right at the beginning of the effective range of an AR.

Uh huh.

[KenMcCoy]

No, you don't get to discount the indirect injuries.

By that measure, firecrackers are even more dangerous than guns and ups trucks combined!

1,527 Injured: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Turin_stampede

[RandomGuy]

On sale now.

[RandomGuy]

Because gun control means hitting your target, imarite?

[Pavlov]

At 400 yards? I'll take my chances with either. That's right at the beginning of the effective range of an AR.

You already do ented how many people were killed at 400 yards by AR15s.

How many people have been killed at 400 yards by a pillow?

[Blake]

By that measure, firecrackers are even more dangerous than guns and ups trucks combined!

1,527 Injured: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Turin_stampede

Firecrackers aren't allowed in city limits here in SA.

Good find.

[Pavlov]

By that measure, firecrackers are even more dangerous than guns and ups trucks combined!

1,527 Injured: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Turin_stampede

OK, we can limit the sale of guns the way we limit the sale of fireworks.

[AaronY]

On sale now.

Groan

[KenMcCoy]

Firecrackers aren't allowed in city limits here in SA.

Good find.

It's illegal to shoot people (unless in self defense).

[Blake]

It's illegal to shoot people (unless in self defense).

No, I mean you cannot even transport un-popped firecrackers at all into the city.

[KenMcCoy]

OK, we can limit the sale of guns the way we limit the sale of fireworks.

Now who's moving the goalposts? What happened to limiting guns like we do cars?

[Pavlov]

Now who's moving the goalposts? What happened to limiting guns like we do cars?

I didn't move the talk to fireworks -- but here we are.

[KenMcCoy]

No, I mean you cannot even transport un-popped firecrackers at all into the city.

There is no cons utional right to fireworks...cities are allowed to enact these bans.

[pgardn]

You already do ented how many people were killed at 400 yards by AR15s.

How many people have been killed at 400 yards by a pillow?

It depends on how crazy the person with a pillow is.

Pillows dont kill people, people kill people. And let us add that pillows would rather not be involved in this mess.