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    The given is we have a packed "audience" , that's easy to find in the US. But because the majority of high density humans are inside accompanied by physical barriers... it's clear a gun gives you inside and outside targets. And people bounce off trucks, especially packed or you just run over them, it does not penetrate internally like a slug.You gotta be able to get up to speed... clearly can't beat Vegas dude.

    And, You don't have to get away.

    Of course it's a gun, except for our nuclear scientist DMC; Cause he can rig Ebola and .

    So what kind of gun(s) and how many if you had to carry on your person?

    (Night club dude used a jacket and somehow got passed security.) Take your ammo into account. The goal is to beat Vegas dude. It might not be possible but you gotta give it a go.
    There are plenty of packed outdoor venues with no physical barriers. 1 person, 1 truck, burning man festival. Would beat Vegas dude every time.

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    Vegas dude was clearly beaten by dude in Nice, France driving a truck. 86 > 58.
    You are absolutely correct.


    Did you get the stats on injured? 300 or what?
    And was that at some festival or just a normal shopping day. Did he do like 5 miles of damage?

    And those long pedestrian streets in France. That works only outside. That works in NYC maybe... Guns give you more options.

    What type of gun(s) and how many?

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    There are plenty of packed outdoor venues with no physical barriers. 1 person, 1 truck, burning man festival. Would beat Vegas dude every time.
    Maybe; limited to festivals, concerts, I have no idea what the burning man festival is like? Just in the middle of the field? I'm seeing the majority getting run over, not killed. You get down I guess if their is no where to go.

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    Maybe; limited to festivals, concerts, I have no idea what the burning man festival is like? Just in the middle of the field? I'm seeing the majority getting run over, not killed. You get down I guess if their is no where to go.
    Would still kill more than Vegas dude and cost a fraction of money spent on guns/ammo.

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    You shouldn’t have to put restrictions on where the attack takes place to prove your point.

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    Renting a large truck and plowing into a festival or street fair is cheaper, easier, and more efficient IMO.
    "According to its website,*Home Depot requires*that truck renters be at least 21 years old, possess a current American or Canadian driver's license and leave a $50 deposit. Additionally, proof of automobile insurance is required for*Home Depot's "Load 'N Go" rentals........"

    https://www.wcpo.com/news/national/h...in-many-states

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    You shouldn’t have to put restrictions on where the attack takes place to prove your point.
    Yeah. My point is simply what type of gun(s) and how many because you guys know guns.

    Gun gives you outdoor and indoor options for those rushed without the skill for all the crazy , drones, bombs, Ebola.... You are a lone wolf, not tied to some Afghani killing expert sending you parts.

    We like options.

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    Cheapest of them all...start a fight or yell bomb in a crowded area.

    74 killed/500 injured at a soccer game because a fight broke out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Said_Stadium_riot

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    Cheapest of them all...start a fight or yell bomb in a crowded area.

    74 killed/500 injured at a soccer game because a fight broke out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Said_Stadium_riot
    That actually is really bad, stampedes.
    But you got no idea if it catches.
    In the US there is more decorum usually. Cops and such. Exit ramps...
    Guns are clearly gonna beat going to Portland and starting a fight during a Timbers game.

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    Yeah. My point is simply what type of gun(s) and how many because you guys know guns.

    Gun gives you outdoor and indoor options for those rushed without the skill for all the crazy , drones, bombs, Ebola.... You are a lone wolf, not tied to some Afghani killing expert sending you parts.

    We like options.
    I thought you just wanted a way to see Vegas dude beaten?

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    "According to its website,*Home Depot requires*that truck renters be at least 21 years old, possess a current American or Canadian driver's license and leave a $50 deposit. Additionally, proof of automobile insurance is required for*Home Depot's "Load 'N Go" rentals........"

    https://www.wcpo.com/news/national/h...in-many-states
    did you quote the wrong person? None of this refutes my statement.

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    Yeah. My point is simply what type of gun(s) and how many because you guys know guns.

    Gun gives you outdoor and indoor options for those rushed without the skill for all the crazy , drones, bombs, Ebola.... You are a lone wolf, not tied to some Afghani killing expert sending you parts.

    We like options.
    Under 50 yards probably cant beat an AK variant for reliability. Cheap and efficient, never jam.

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    Yeah. My point is simply what type of gun(s) and how many because you guys know guns.

    Gun gives you outdoor and indoor options for those rushed without the skill for all the crazy , drones, bombs, Ebola.... You are a lone wolf, not tied to some Afghani killing expert sending you parts.

    We like options.
    You want to know what gun to use at a venue where only a gun is the best option? Am I following you correctly?

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    I thought you just wanted a way to see Vegas dude beaten?
    With full options available.
    Guns work inside as well. Lots o people go inside. And you probably don't best Vegas Dude. You try. I think a gun gets you closer than a truck for the spontaneous type of maniac. And it seems they are used more in the US. It's our preferred method because of options.

    So what kind of gun(s). Anything better than an ar-15? And why did these guys also carry other arms as well. Smaller arms when the ar-15 gives out and easy to transport? What would the preferred smaller gun be?

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    In 50 years in America guns have killed more Americans than all American wars combined

    Trucks as weapons?

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    You want to know what gun to use at a venue where only a gun is the best option? Am I following you correctly?
    No.

    I have reasonably established for myself it's gun(s) in the US.
    But I don't know which ones. Or how many. I don't know the features.

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    That actually is really bad, stampedes.
    But you got no idea if it catches.
    In the US there is more decorum usually. Cops and such. Exit ramps...
    Guns are clearly gonna beat going to Portland and starting a fight during a Timbers game.
    Yeah...a lot worse than I had thought. From my mental count ~ 6800 killed in stampes worldwide since year 2000. We should ban all mass gatherings!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_stampedes

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    In 50 years in America guns have killed more Americans than all American wars combined

    Trucks as weapons?
    They work iat outdoor venues fairly well it seems.
    I don know the burning man festival, but TSA says a truck with one driver could get him closest to Vegas dude.

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    Yeah...a lot worse than I had thought. From my mental count ~ 6800 killed in stampes worldwide since year 2000. We should ban all mass gatherings!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_stampedes
    But it requires too much cooperation in panic.
    Its like a butterfly effect thing, not like a nuclear weapon. It's a rogue wave, too many things have to go right(wrong).
    Its not gonna do for lone wolf.

    You are alt for _______?

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    With full options available.
    Guns work inside as well. Lots o people go inside. And you probably don't best Vegas Dude. You try. I think a gun gets you closer than a truck for the spontaneous type of maniac. And it seems they are used more in the US. It's our preferred method because of options.

    So what kind of gun(s). Anything better than an ar-15? And why did these guys also carry other arms as well. Smaller arms when the ar-15 gives out and easy to transport? What would the preferred smaller gun be?
    Just because it’s preferred doesn’t mean it’s the best option. Arson is very effective but seems to have fallen out of style.

    Vegas dude wasn’t a spontaneous type of maniac. You keep adding more qualifiers to try and make your point. Burning Man festival and a truck triples the deaths in half the time.

    With your restrictions put in place Vegas dude gets beaten at the same venue with an actual automatic rifle. He had the money to purchase them too not sure why he didn’t.

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    In 50 years in America guns have killed more Americans than all American wars combined

    Trucks as weapons?
    Can you break that down by race for us k thx.

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    They work iat outdoor venues fairly well it seems.
    I don know the burning man festival, but TSA says a truck with one driver could get him closest to Vegas dude.
    Google a picture of the venue.

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    In 50 years in America guns have killed more Americans than all American wars combined

    Trucks as weapons?
    But they are here to stay.

    So it's trucks for some who would plan on beating Vegas guy.

    Im trying to figure out which guns for loan wolf.
    Stampedes are out as well as to spontaneous and requiring a set of fairly perfect events. Cause a lot of sports in the US have seemed to lack stampedes. Although there have been some concerts. But lone wolf... He does not work IMO for a stampede.

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    Google a picture of the venue.
    K

    What guns would you use?
    I don't know guns well enough but I've got opinions of two people who have shot ar-15 and all kinds of other weapons. Said it was a blast. One even put some sort of fire explosive in a old car on his ranch and took video of it as they all fired at it. It worked. I do have suggestions on a better fire "ball" though after watching the video.

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