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    Woj is a power broker and has been known to be cut throat. In this Kawhi scenario it’s not the Woj is lying. He’s using his power/sway, probably as favors to bigger franchises that work with him to create discord and interest in Kawhi leaving.

    He’s trying to fracture Kawhi/Spurs since they shut him out like all the rest. Kawhi is the only player big enough for Woj to strike at.

    The meeting happened; Woj was not lying. But HOW it happened is where he’s sowing his discord.






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    Also, I’m not surprised to see Manu/TP being the one’s speaking out. Obviously, times have changed. Kawhi is very obviously not a Tim Duncan (nor is that fair to expect that).

    We should expect however, for the face of a franchise, for him to be a better communicator and respect his teammates enough to stay close, cheer them on and be a leader. SA shields Kawhi because of his nature from most of the duties of a franchise superstar. But someone looking to get paid 200M as the face of franchise owes his teammates a of a lot more than he’s given them.

    Not only watching them battle and fight and scrap, but then to have to answer non-stop questions from media/fans on his behalf? Kawhi has royally screwed his teammates over. They would understand (and it was reported in this recent meeting that they still do understand) and support him not playing through an injury. They don’t understand why he’s not around and distanced himself from them.

    But back to my main point of Manu/TP doing the talking. They are legends who grew up with Tim and they themselves put the team first. Kawhi is obviously like the 99% of other NBA players who don’t think like that (and that’s fine), but Manu/TP aren’t used to it, don’t like it and they are on their last legs. They don’t care if they alienate Kawhi because they know they don’t have much longer anyways.

    As much as TP/Manu love the Spurs, they are legends that are fading and don’t want to deal with this crap and would prefer their last years be spent with the best chance possible of going out winners.


    I still lean toward them offering and him accepting the super max this summer, but at the same time, I don't know how the relationship between him and his teammates (specifically the long time ones, who outside of Ginobili, will probably be around for a while) gets repaired.

    This is basically the two professional cardinal sins among teammates in one: 1) Either not playing despite being medically cleared or doing so but giving little to no effort and 2) Spending little time around the team, not keeping them in the loop and forcing them have to answer on your behalf constantly.













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    Definitely has to be Parker and Ginobili IMO..both sounded very annoyed in their recent comments about Kawhi(probably a combination of frustration about his absence + tired of reporters asking them)..they're also the only guys with enough clout to say something(Aldridge as well, but there's no way he would jeopardize his precious touches)..

    Also, Manu has been injured his entire career and Parker is a 6-foot tall 170-pound PG who spent his entire career in the paint they also watched Tim Duncan spend his last years playing on 1 functional knee..I can fully understand if they're disgusted by K-Rose..
    And when Timmy was young he needed surgery and it was Pop that held him out of the playoffs. Timmy was trying to talk him into letting him go. I wonder if last year in the playoffs that was even Pop's call at all when he sprained the ankle? Because knowing what we now do, about how soft this man is, KL might have just refused.

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    I'm confused on ...
    1. what do the players gain from this meeting? If he was 100% he is playing ...are they asking him to risk a $200 million payday on a 10% max chance at a le?
    2. Even if meeting wasnt tense ...im sure it was at least uncomfortable ...why put a introvert in that spot?
    3. If he agrees to come back early and increases the chance at further injury would Spur fan be happy if he is more Grant Hill than Jordanesque and you are paying 200 mill for a post injury version of Hill?

    Kiwi playing makes no sense for him or Spurs ...spurfan just gotta trust Pop to repair things likey they did with Lasoftus...if they can't he walks regardless ...him and the spurs getting bounced by a Rox team he could beat if healthy helps no one.
    The players point of view would be they want rhe speculation on him coming back this season to stop. Enough with the distraction, they got the playoffs to make. A 20 year old playoff record is at stake here , yet they still fielding questions about a guy that got cleared 2months ago on his own agenda.

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    Back in ’05 Duncan injured his ankle nasty against Detroit in the regular season. Started the playoffs on two bum ankles IIRC. Then in the conference semis he rolled it again against Seattle. Then he was Finals MVP.

    Not that this has anything to do with Kawhi but……
    He didn't injury his other ankle until the last game of the Seattle series where he hit the game winner to take us to the WCF after playing through the pain IIRC.

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    However, i do agree with you, if the dude isn't medically cleared after 5-6 months whatever it is, and multiple rehabs, he's not going to magically be fine in 1 week.
    Or another year? Or two?

    Has anyone heard from Kawhi or his doctors about what they think his long-term prognosis is, i.e., he should be well in another six weeks, another six months?

    Or are they just as clueless as they claim the Spurs' doctors are?

    If it really is a question of Kawhi's subjective sensation of discomfort above the knee, then the sky's the limit.

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    I still lean toward them offering and him accepting the super max this summer, but at the same time, I don't know how the relationship between him and his teammates (specifically the long time ones, who outside of Ginobili, will probably be around for a while) gets repaired.

    This is basically the two professional cardinal sins among teammates in one: 1) Either not playing despite being medically cleared or doing so but giving little to no effort and 2) Spending little time around the team, not keeping them in the loop and forcing them have to answer on your behalf constantly.












    Ya its got me thinking & others have alluded to .. is this situation repairable. Im not sure it is anymore.

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    Spurs doctors wouldn’t have cleared him if it jeopardizes his long term health....

    I would agree with your view but it doesn’t add up
    That's what I meant..they wouldn't have cleared him if they believed there was a risk of future complications..non-Spurs fans and media are acting like every situation is now comparable to Isiah Thomas and ignoring the credibility of the Spurs..

    What do you disagree with?

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    This and the Green tweet says it all. They had a conversation and wanted Kawhi to tell them his situation rather than let ESPN tell them. Of course the press expressed it in a more dramatic way. I think TP and Manu wanted Kawhi to be more communicative with the team. It was good to see him on the bench last night. This drama doesn’t help and I think Woj an$ ESPN like stirring the pot.

    I’ve been enjoying the renewed defensive focus. They do need to circle their wagons and go with what they got. Kawhi will need to engage in 5 on 5 workouts before he goes near a game and I’m sure we will hear about it when he does.

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    This and the Green tweet says it all. They had a conversation and wanted Kawhi to tell them his situation rather than let ESPN tell them. Of course the press expressed it in a more dramatic way. I think TP and Manu wanted Kawhi to be more communicative with the team. It was good to see him on the bench last night. This drama doesn’t help and I think Woj an$ ESPN like stirring the pot.

    I’ve been enjoying the renewed defensive focus. They do need to circle their wagons and go with what they got. Kawhi will need to engage in 5 on 5 workouts before he goes near a game and I’m sure we will hear about it when he does.

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    If the players feel like he can play based on the Spurs medical staff and Kawhi doesn't return to play this season or for the playoffs then I'm not sure the relationship is repairable.

    If there are guys on the team that feel like Kawhi is being selfish or a pansy then I don't see them wanting him to return to the team UNLESS the injury is worse than what is being reported, which I personally doubt. I know I would feel some kind of way about a co-worker not showing up and doing his/her part when it's been reported he/she can work.

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    That's what I meant..they wouldn't have cleared him if they believed there was a risk of future complications..non-Spurs fans and media are acting like every situation is now comparable to Isiah Thomas and ignoring the credibility of the Spurs..

    What do you disagree with?

    Misread your post. We’re on the same page regarding the health concern issue...

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    Get rid of him in the off-season. Manu will retire, Tony will go somewhere else and rebuild this thing. You guys seriously want to build around this dude after this? He is not made of what it takes to be that Guy. He is not that Guy. Enough is enough..
    How will Tony rebuild this thing from somewhere else?

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    Spurs guard Tony Parker, a four-time NBA champion, quarterbacked the meeting after the team's victory over Minnesota on Saturday night


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    I just don’t understand Kawhi frustration with PATFO..

    Let’s say they did misdiagnosed the injury..if it’s not career altering what’s the big deal? If the Spurs are willing to give him the max it’s not like he missed out on anything. If missing this season cost him $ or accolades down the road I would get it..

    But if the Spurs are willing to pay you more than anyone what’s the problem?
    This is a tough one to answer. If the Spurs misdiagnosed the injury and Kawhi is really that pissed off about it, then it's not really about money. Money may play a small part in it, but if he's really as mad as it seems, then I think it's because he was coming off of a great season and wanted to continue it. He wants to be one of the greatest of all time and if this injury slows him down in his career going forward or limits him in any way, I don't think he cares as much about the money as he does about being one of the best ever.

    That's my take on it as of this moment.

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    I don't want to take a side for or against Kawhi because in the end its his body and only he knows how he feels.

    But, it does seem, that is going to be very difficult for him to be the leader of this team going forward (assuming some day he does take the floor again.) The guys want the one in the foxhole with them. And the perception, fair or not, is Kawhi wants to be miles from the front lines. It's a real shame.
    He has been in the playiffs every single year for us...whats are u even saying? Parker, duncan and ginobili ALL have missed huge chunks of seasons and also missed playoffs...listening to u guys, u would swear kawhi is the only spur to ever miss games due to injury...ALL of tje big 3 missed playoff games due to injury...bit somehow kawhi is lying

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    Oh of re . They looked awful and was an .500 team even before kawhi first returned. What baseline bum was saying is true.

    You making out this teams tines entirely based on chemsitry is bolloks. The team is garbage without kawhi. A sub 50 win team team.

    As i have been saying, kawhi doesnt give a about San Antonio anymore. I am the biggest kawhi fanboy.

    But i can tell you with 90% certainty, he doesnt give a rat ass about San Antoniom
    You know . You've always only known . And that's all you'll ever know... .

    Go your aunt.

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    Back in ’05 Duncan injured his ankle nasty against Detroit in the regular season. Started the playoffs on two bum ankles IIRC. Then in the conference semis he rolled it again against Seattle. Then he was Finals MVP.

    Not that this has anything to do with Kawhi but……
    Duncan also missed entire playoffs due to injury, and kawhi played on the same sprained ankle twice, until zaza sprained it a third time...and guess what ppl said...he should have sat before it got worse...now ppl are mad at him for not going out there when HE can feel somethimg isnt right...go yourselves

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    He has been in the playiffs every single year for us...whats are u even saying? Parker, duncan and ginobili ALL have missed huge chunks of seasons and also missed playoffs...listening to u guys, u would swear kawhi is the only spur to ever miss games due to injury...ALL of tje big 3 missed playoff games due to injury...bit somehow kawhi is lying
    12 year old spurs fan with the bads. Stay in school dude

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    The media trying real hard to get kawhi to leave to a bigger market... the media too

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    And when Timmy was young he needed surgery and it was Pop that held him out of the playoffs. Timmy was trying to talk him into letting him go. I wonder if last year in the playoffs that was even Pop's call at all when he sprained the ankle? Because knowing what we now do, about how soft this man is, KL might have just refused.
    I thought it was 100% Pop's decision to hold him out for the rest of the series last year, but right now I'm thinking it might have been Kawhi. He may have answered with something like this " no I can't play, are you crazy?! I got a sprained ankle."

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    This is a tough one to answer. If the Spurs misdiagnosed the injury and Kawhi is really that pissed off about it, then it's not really about money. Money may play a small part in it, but if he's really as mad as it seems, then I think it's because he was coming off of a great season and wanted to continue it. He wants to be one of the greatest of all time and if this injury slows him down in his career going forward or limits him in any way, I don't think he cares as much about the money as he does about being one of the best ever.

    That's my take on it as of this moment.

    Nice take...

    I guess the question is how bad is the injury really? Do I think it’s career altering ?? No. This year is so far a waste but it can be forgotten if he comes back and Spurs make a little noise..everything will be forgotten about if he plays and they compete..plus he will get more $ than ever.

    He can leave..but leaving the Spurs in THIS fashion will hurt his “reputation” as one of the greats regardless..Go to the Lakers?? Ok but that doesn’t guarantee success and tbh will only put more spotlight on him..and if he fails? Ruins his reputation even more.

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