You would be surprised at how obvious and self centered some people can be with very little self awareness.
This. People complaining about the quotes taken out of context haven't listened to the interviews at all.
Love it.The disdain for Kawhi is pretty clear. "a hundred times worse..."
Kiwi doesn't care about them at this point.
I think they have given him all season to get ready. They have made it to 10 games left in the season, and are in the playoffs but have no margin whatsoever for error... they need to win games from now on and they do need him. If he's going to join the team for the rest of the season the time is right now. So I can understand them wanting to talk to him as teammates.
The only thing is, Manu came out of that meeting with a mind more resolute than ever that it's up to themselves and that Kiwi right now is not coming back.
Perhaps all this is indeed clearing out the air for their playoff run and if it is disappointing (like them missing the playoffs at this point would be), at least they talked to him before.
In a way you could say the playoff for the Spurs have already started. Every game is must win right now... so there is tension.
it's basically a: "do we count on you at all? are you really coming back? or should I start to disregard these leaks to the media that you are coming back as just noise?"
"are you in or are you out Kiwi?"
Kiwi: "nahhhh, I pass, my quad hurts.. ouch"
you know what really sucks is that even when kawhi finally comes back it will all be different. the team is tired of his BS even if its not as bad as it seems in out of context quotes and leaked stories. its obv still a messed up situation and nothing will ever be the same.
we're screwed
Welcome to Earth.
like a pregnancy.
when is this baby due?
Don't sound like he was throwing shade or anything. He just sounds like he's just answering honestly about himself.
Happy to hear TP say such things. Kawhi is team Kawhi not Team Spurs. Tony also putting a message out there that the med team can be trusted for future players who may come. Do the spurs want a reputation that they don’t take care of their players? That is how Kawhi is making it seem. All that said, yes Kawhi can miss the rest of this season and come back like an MVP next year and the Spurs will offer their offer and he’ll accept or not. I’ve had it with Kawhi. He seems to have mental issues but I will just wait to see how it plays out. Even though it could be a year from now. Unless he gets traded well then that’ll say he just doesn’t want to be a Spur at all. At least we have guys like TP complimenting the med team and what not seemingly proud to play for the Spurs and put their body on the line.
I think I just realized why Kawhi quit on the Spurs! Can't believe it took me this long to see it.
Kawhi holds a grudge against his teammates because NOBODY HAD HIS BACK after Zsa Zsa last season. Nobody hard fouled him, no fights, nothing. Instead of his teammates retaliating in any way whatsoever, they simply bent over. (And against GSW this season, still nothing.)
I think that lack of support infuriated Kawhi, and his anger continues to this day, in the form of a "mysterious" injury.
He quit on the Spurs after that series.
Yup, makes sense. Wouldn't you be pissed if you got taken out, but your homies didn't do anything about it?? I'd be looking for a new crew, too.
thanks for sharing the old school video... it's so interesting to see how those dynamics develop through the season. Yup, no Ellie personality... maybe Rudy but he's been so injured too.
The only two persons I see are left caping for Quadhi are dabom and his personal butler YGWHI..
Whether on this forum or twitter, majority of people are starting to realize from where the bull is emanating. To varying degrees, most have turned on Leonard..
when he's able to play, you can repair all those issues. Sometimes it's even better to air out the grievances. It worked out for Lamarcus last season. But things can only really be worked out when he's back to playing. The problem right now is that he's not playing.
Even if Kawhi comes back, can Pop ever coach him hard like he did Tim and Manu and Parker?
Will Kawhi ever set that example -- "if he treats Kawhi like that, I better fall in line."
Will that level of trust ever exist again after this or will it just be eggs s and silence?
I'm afraid regardless of what happens from here on out, the "Spurs Way" may have died.
As bad as he may be, maybe that puts a sharper focus on why PATFO overspent on 50Mills. After Manu and Tony he really is the last link in the culture chain.
I didn’t know the meeting occurred on Saturday, after Wolves game.
Whatever happens, PATFO are going to have to change their approach one way or another. Hopefully Pop retires, but, they need to stop with the loyalty contracts. Stop with the baby rest. Stop with “corporate knowledge” signing of guys that can’t even help on the court. Stop with the old guys old guys old guys. Stop with the random benching of young players for months. Stop with determining a rookie will not participate in the playoffs before the season even starts. Stop sitting guys that are rolling to curb their stats. Stopping benching guys for sticking up for their teammates against an opponent.
Not saying theyre all going to get fixed, but some of those things are going to have to be addressed and changed. It’s actu creating a weird culture these days. Nobody wanted to come here before. Now they’re really not going to come here.
Take this for what it's worth. This is probably Level 4 info but here goes:
I have a friend who has a friend, an they have a mutual friend whose married to one of the assistant coaches... basically the plan is to sign & trade Kawhi, he will not ever be in a Spurs jersey again. Bottom line it boils down to greed. apparently Kawhi wants to "grow his brand" (idk how, he literally doesn't talk), thinks Spurs rushed him back too soon, blames spurs for re-injury, and wants a bigger market.
take it or leave it. this does explain him going to NY for a 2nd opinion, his own medical team, and his uncle. Personally, if this is true, his uncle has mind ed him so hard and both can get the out
Well that plan is weird seeing as if Kawhi signs the DPE this Summer it will be 2 years before he can be traded.
hummm. seems legit
I agree with you 100% about what needs to happen. Unfortunately we are shackled with the disaster of last off-season. Plus, I do not believe that PATFO is capable of making any of those changes, anyway. In the poll/thread about siding with PATFO or Kawhi, I would choose the Spurs. Neither PATFO nor Kawhi is representing what is best for the franchise at this point.
Well that was debunked in 1 second.
And trying to grow a brand without actually "branding" is counter intuitive. That doesn't sound like Kawhi.
Maybe PATFO think that Kawhi will be rehabbing for two years...?
I can see it now. A game in the year 2020
Injury Report:
"Kawhi Leonard (return from injury management since 2017) is out for tonight's game"
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