Spurs' Gregg Popovich responds to March For Our Lives, criticizes President Trump

[paperboy77]

The march itself wasn't targeting specific firearms. It was a blanket "get rid of all guns" protest. Which is just asinine. The students were spouting off against the "out-datedness of the U.S. Cons ution" (quoted verbatim) - which is ironic, considering they were publically availing their own Cons utionally protected free-speech right, and their right to "peaceable assembly" - which not all nations grant.

The People have a right to defend themselves against any enemy, foreign or domestic. And the government cannot possibly provide that protection no matter how well equipped our local law enforcement departments may be across the country. We cannot simply depend on them. The best response times at 4-5 minutes place law enforcement a step behind those perpetrating crimes - which is why citizens need to be empowered to protect themselves.

We have laws against MURDER. But people think that more laws are magically going to change the hearts of those who've decided to take human lives? They are delusional. If the one law which in many states can carry the penalty of death is ignored by the perpetrators of "mass shooting events" what makes the protesters think that access to particular weapons will somehow be an effective deterrent? Again delusional. Didn't the Virginia Tech shooter kill over 30 students with hand guns alone (not "assault riffles")? Here recently a perp in China stabbed 29 people to death and left dozens more injured. Back in 2014 another stabbing spree in said country left 35 people dead and 143 injured. How many driving massacres have taken place across Europe over the past decade (and here in NYC recently)? The point is that someone bent on killing will do so NO MATTER WHAT THE LAW STATES. Gun control advocates are too full of their own baloney and knee-deep in socialist excrement to accept the truth. People are inherently "corrupt" and "government authorities" are not some benevolent force of good - nor can we depend on them for our own protection.

But somehow Popovich is supposed to be a "voice of reason" on the matter? The guy who excoriates other human beings on national TV, while his face turns blood red, as he yells obscenities at them? That Pop? Yeah. Sure.

Great response!

[poop]

Pop is a complete idiot and has an ego bigger than Trump. Some posters here have already done a great job debunking the anti-gun crowd's feeble, staggeringly ignorant talking points.
This 'march' is just yet another anti-Trump hissy fit fully organized and massively funded by the usual leftist bankrollers and personalities, with people being provided transportation, time off school, etc and being bussed around from city to city. Its all a charade. These people have no clue whatsoever what the laws even are or anything whatsoever about firearms. They are all the 5th column as far as im concerned, anti-american to the core and should be dealt with like the enemy that they are

[Nathan89]

questioning statistics only because they go against your world view is just cognitive dissonance

and his "long term" statistics are completely unrelated... he says he's skeptical of gun control because marxist russian dictators killed a lot of people. there's no logical connect to those two

thats like saying social security is a dangerous policy because the soviet union murdered people

He said he would question the statistics and that's a good thing. It's people that don't question the statistics that come to misleading narratives like when they bring up Australia.

"Completely unrelated"

"Gun registration and targeted confiscations therefore played an essential role in Stalin’s genocidal activities."

"So, while the Nazis ultimately favored loosening gun restrictions on the German population as a whole, the disarmament of Jews and other targeted minority populations was an essential feature of Hitler’s genocidal program, which included the murder of six million Jews (and millions of others deemed unworthy to live under the Third Reich) between 1938 and the end of World War II. "

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/little-gun-history/

Seems to me it plays an essential role in genocidal activities. Let's disarm people over a few deaths.

[BSfromTX]

Kids and teenagers do not know jack about the world they live in.

In the last 30 years they have managed to get a large portion of the population to BEG to take away liberties and freedoms in the name of defending terrorism, mass shootings, and immigration. Mass shootings, terrorism, racism, transgender, abortion, liberal, conservative, welfare, taxes etc. is just a small sample of what the media thrives on to keep us separated and bickering at each other. Divide and conquer.

Never do they talk about currency, banking, corrrupt politics (on both sides) and the cabal that rules this planet.

RULE #1 kiddos: Do not look to the glowing tube in the living room for the truth, nor your government issued history books. You must search with diligence and discernment and then be careful about your conclusions.

[poop]

Good post.The 'long march thru the ins utions' was actually achieved, and we are seeing the results of those efforts in full blossom in the last few years.

[Pavlov]

Kids and teenagers do not know jack about the world they live in.

In the last 30 years they have managed to get a large portion of the population to BEG to take away liberties and freedoms in the name of defending terrorism, mass shootings, and immigration. Mass shootings, terrorism, racism, transgender, abortion, liberal, conservative, welfare, taxes etc. is just a small sample of what the media thrives on to keep us separated and bickering at each other. Divide and conquer.

Never do they talk about currency, banking, corrrupt politics (on both sides) and the cabal that rules this planet.

RULE #1 kiddos: Do not look to the glowing tube in the living room for the truth, nor your government issued history books. You must search with diligence and discernment and then be careful about your conclusions.

Yeah, teenagers and kids BEGGED for the Patriot Act.

[cd98]

The sad reality of this country is without guns, there is no way to protect yourself from certain crimes. I don’t own a gun and never have. That said, if someone decided to use deadly force against me, the law isn’t going to stop him and the police won’t get there until I’m dead. That’s the world we live in and gun control won’t change it. Murder is outlawed in every state, but it doesn’t stop murders from murdering.

And while I agree that AR15s seem excessive, if you were in Louisiana during Katrina at your home with only a gun to protect your family from the looters (knowing no cops are coming to help you), wouldn’t you want an AR15 or something similar?

[BSfromTX]

Yeah, teenagers and kids BEGGED for the Patriot Act.

No, I agree. Most adults are no different, and you are right, the Patriot Act is an excellent example of that.

[Phenomanul]

So you're saying since we can't stop everything, we shouldn't try to stop anything?

That sounds effective.

From a leftist piece:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...shootings.html

"If mass school shootings were the only form of gun violence in the United States, the case for treating the regulation of firearms as a pressing policy issue would actually be fairly weak. For the past quarter-century, there has been an average of one mass murder (a killing of four or more people committed with any weapon, as opposed to just firearms) in an American school each year. Every one of those atrocities is a blight on humanity. But it is nearly impossible to design a policy that can bring the incidence of an already exceptionally rare crime down to zero — and given the inherently limited nature of legislative time and resources, it would make little sense to prioritize such a marginal and difficult issue over public health challenges that kill exponentially more people.


There is no “school safety” crisis in the U.S.; only a gun violence epidemic that consists primarily of suicides, accidents, and single-victim homicides committed with handguns. In the decades since Columbine, progressives have often led the public to believe otherwise. And for understandable reasons. Spectacular acts of mass murder committed gagainst children (especially upper-middle class children in “good” public schools) attract a degree of media attention and political concern that our nation’s (roughly) 20,000 annual firearm suicides — and daily acts of urban gang violence — simply do not. The most misleading piece of the Parkland survivors’ message — that their experience is representative of a widespread social problem that threatens the lives of all American children — may well be its most politically effective component."

[Killakobe81]

Some mad at Pop for his liberal leanings and critiques of #45 ...
but can't pull the anti-american charge ...cuz unlike most posters or the last few presidents he served his country ...so he should get more lat ude to speak his mind.

[Chris]

None of that changes my stance. I previously read the fivethirtyeight article you linked. Pointing at instances where gun control would not help doesnt mean there arent lives that could be saved with sone form of gun control. More aggresive types such as full auto assault weapons have been banned ...dont think legal owners of the guns i mentioned before are suffering cuz they cant purchase those or a bazooka.
I get gun laws wont stop some criminals but if it can save some lives even a small % Im all for it. I would never support a ban for all gun types however ...

Donny, you're out of your element here.

[bic50]

The real problem with gun control is that the NRA is funded by the Russians who know that more machine guns on the streets creates an unstable country which benefits them. The NRA muddies the conversation from sensible gun control (proper background checks and licensing, not giving guns to people on no fly lists, etc) to be the same as "They want to take away all your guns" because they know it makes it harder to figure out the middle ground.

Combine that with the Russians radicalizing people on FB, 4Chan, 8Chan, Reddit, etc. so they get crazed and go shoot places up or bomb , like Vegas, Parkland, Austin and you've got a toxic mix.

Finally, the NRA and the Russians have blackmail on gov people on both sides of the aisle and uses it to keep them from speaking up against what their cons uents actually want. This won't change until the underlying Russian and NRA threat mechanisms have been decimated AND the corrupted politicians are voted out of office.

The kids are doing good in exposing the corrupt US side that are now openly siding with the NRA and not what the masses actually want. Ideally, this will spur the lazy ers who didn't vote into getting out and making the change they want to see.

Until then, keep your head on a swivel cause is going to get crazy.

[spurraider21]

He said he would question the statistics and that's a good thing. It's people that don't question the statistics that come to misleading narratives like when they bring up Australia.

"Completely unrelated"

"Gun registration and targeted confiscations therefore played an essential role in Stalin’s genocidal activities."

"So, while the Nazis ultimately favored loosening gun restrictions on the German population as a whole, the disarmament of Jews and other targeted minority populations was an essential feature of Hitler’s genocidal program, which included the murder of six million Jews (and millions of others deemed unworthy to live under the Third Reich) between 1938 and the end of World War II. "

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/little-gun-history/

Seems to me it plays an essential role in genocidal activities. Let's disarm people over a few deaths.

saying i'm skeptical of any socialist policies because stalin murdered people is horribly misguided. might as well say i'm skeptical of capitalist policies because andrew jackson had native americans slaughtered

and both those specify targeted confiscations. kinda important

[MannyIsGod]

The march itself wasn't targeting specific firearms. It was a blanket "get rid of all guns" protest. Which is just asinine. The students were spouting off against the "out-datedness of the U.S. Cons ution" (quoted verbatim) - which is ironic, considering they were publically availing their own Cons utionally protected free-speech right, and their right to "peaceable assembly" - which not all nations grant.

The People have a right to defend themselves against any enemy, foreign or domestic. And the government cannot possibly provide that protection no matter how well equipped our local law enforcement departments may be across the country. We cannot simply depend on them. The best response times at 4-5 minutes place law enforcement a step behind those perpetrating crimes - which is why citizens need to be empowered to protect themselves.

We have laws against MURDER. But people think that more laws are magically going to change the hearts of those who've decided to take human lives? They are delusional. If the one law which in many states can carry the penalty of death is ignored by the perpetrators of "mass shooting events" what makes the protesters think that access to particular weapons will somehow be an effective deterrent? Again delusional. Didn't the Virginia Tech shooter kill over 30 students with hand guns alone (not "assault riffles")? Here recently a perp in China stabbed 29 people to death and left dozens more injured. Back in 2014 another stabbing spree in said country left 35 people dead and 143 injured. How many driving massacres have taken place across Europe over the past decade (and here in NYC recently)? The point is that someone bent on killing will do so NO MATTER WHAT THE LAW STATES. Gun control advocates are too full of their own baloney and knee-deep in socialist excrement to accept the truth. People are inherently "corrupt" and "government authorities" are not some benevolent force of good - nor can we depend on them for our own protection.

But somehow Popovich is supposed to be a "voice of reason" on the matter? The guy who excoriates other human beings on national TV, while his face turns blood red, as he yells obscenities at them? That Pop? Yeah. Sure.

Somehow gun laws work in the rest of the world. You're one of an idiot, Hector.

[Nathan89]

saying i'm skeptical of any socialist policies because stalin murdered people is horribly misguided. might as well say i'm skeptical of capitalist policies because andrew jackson had native americans slaughtered

and both those specify targeted confiscations. kinda important

You said his long-term is "completely unrelated". I showed why it's related. Gun confiscation is written in the genocidal playbook for dummies. Why? Because it makes the population vulnerable. So long-term the population is more vulnerable to real mass murders in the millions. Not the bull "mass murder" that you see now. Which is a short-term sacrifice for not wanting to be completely ed long-term.

[sammy]

I applaud Pop for having the courage and morality to speak the obvious truth which too many Americans are dumb and deaf to.

Agree!

Those students have every right to protest since they are the ones that are dying in school and being shot at! They saw their friends and teachers murdered!

To all of those overreacting gun owners, they are not taking your guns away! You can still have your handgun and rifle! Why do you need an AR 15? Those guns should be banned period! Those guns belong to the professionals! They are meant to kill vast amounts of people! Those students want the AR 15 banned, universal background checks on all sales of guns (online, gun shows etc), 3 day waiting period, mentally ill or criminals not allowed to have a gun, no guns for people on the no fly list, and people can't buy a gun until 21 years old! There is nothing wrong with these sensible requests!

So sick and tired of these gun owners infringing their rights on others! Pop has every right to speak out when the fake president runs away to Florida to avoid these kids! How about meeting with them and do something about their concerns! Too many people are dying and you can't even go to church, concert, movie theater or school, because some inhuman s bag will get a AR15 and kill many innocent lives! This has got to stop! Enough is enough!

[bic50]

Agree!

Those students have every right to protest since they are the ones that are dying in school and being shot at! They saw their friends and teachers murdered!

To all of those overreacting gun owners, they are not taking your guns away! You can still have your handgun and rifle! Why do you need an AR 15? Those guns should be banned period! Those guns belong to the professionals! They are meant to kill vast amounts of people! Those students want the AR 15 banned, universal background checks on all sales of guns (online, gun shows etc), 3 day waiting period, mentally ill or criminals not allowed to have a gun, no guns for people on the no fly list, and people can't buy a gun until 21 years old! There is nothing wrong with these sensible requests!

So sick and tired of these gun owners infringing their rights on others! Pop has every right to speak out when the fake president runs away to Florida to avoid these kids! How about meeting with them and do something about their concerns! Too many people are dying and you can't even go to church, concert, movie theater or school, because some inhuman s bag will get a AR15 and kill many innocent lives! This has got to stop! Enough is enough!

How can you say they are not trying to take your guns away then say a certain gun that many people already own needs to be banned?

[spurraider21]

You said his long-term is "completely unrelated". I showed why it's related. Gun confiscation is written in the genocidal playbook for dummies. Why? Because it makes the population vulnerable. So long-term the population is more vulnerable to real mass murders in the millions. Not the bull "mass murder" that you see now. Which is a short-term sacrifice for not wanting to be completely ed long-term.

oh, so the stoneman douglas kids want to commit genocide, huh.

would you say there's a distinction between forced, targeted confiscation and one that is democratically imposed? was the australian government literally hitler?

[Nathan89]

oh, so the stoneman douglas kids want to commit genocide, huh.

would you say there's a distinction between forced, targeted confiscation and one that is democratically imposed? was the australian government literally hitler?

No, just short-term thinkers with a narrow view.

Both put you in a vulnerable position in the end. The difference is when it's forced you will be ed very soon. When it's democratically imposed you are vulnerable to be ed at some point in the future.

[Clipper Nation]

Porker calls out Kawhi and creates drama in the locker room, Pop costs the Spurs a game by not taking a timeout, and right on cue, another political rant.

[Killakobe81]

Donny, you're out of your element here.

No I am not ...
Im not a bleedling liberal ...
nor a stay away from my guns conservative...
i enjoy shooting but dont need a AR15 to do so.
Just a dude with common sense and no loyalty to strict party ideals on either side ...

[ducks]

When are they going to ban planned parenting
They killed 6500 or more lives last year

The result bomb thing in Austin proves take guns away people still find ways to kill people


Mexico is so poor no one their can afford a gun

[sammy]

People shouldn't have AR15! There was a ban on this gun in 2004 but wasn't renewed by the NRA bought Republican party! This gun does not belong on the street and should be only with the military who fight our wars! This gun has done massive damage and carnage to innocent lives lost! You look at those families who've lost their loved ones and tell them that those guns should still be allowed! This has got to stop! You don't need a AR15 to hunt, geez!

[Killakobe81]

Porker calls out Kawhi and creates drama in the locker room, Poop costs the Spurs a game by not taking a timeout, and right on cue, another political rant.

Fair enough,
but if our former servicemen dont have the freedom to discuss their political views ...who does? He served Trump and Obama did not ... whether we agree with his leftist views he has earned that right.

[poop]

People shouldn't have AR15! There was a ban on this gun in 2004 but wasn't renewed by the NRA bought Republican party! This gun does not belong on the street and should be only with the military who fight our wars! This gun has done massive damage and carnage to innocent lives lost! You look at those families who've lost their loved ones and tell them that those guns should still be allowed! This has got to stop! You don't need a AR15 to hunt, geez!

You are too dumb to even debate. Did you even read any of the posts in this thread?