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    Such reductionist stupidity.

    The laws against murder carry the heftiest sentence across the land, BUT it still doesn't stop those bent on perpetrating murder.

    The existence of those laws is absolutely necessary. You are making a false equivalence in suggesting that because criminals break the law, that then those laws aren't necessary. The opposite is true, but it doesn't suit your narrative. IT'S because criminals break the law AND because the government cannot protect every citizen that THEN the citizen has a right to protect himself/herself.

    Only you would read what I said and come away with such idiocy.

    As for regulation, IT will only infringe the rights of responsible gun owners. Those that don't care will break the law regardless.

    The government should not give criminals an advantage against law-abiding folk. ANY regulation (aside from sensible background checks) would ultimately have that effect.
    lets make it legal for kids to carry guns then, they should have the right to protect themselves at school

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    lets make it legal for kids to carry guns then, they should have the right to protect themselves at school
    Yep. Make them take a conceal carry and gun safety at the end of middle school so they can have all weapons they need for jr high. If we sell decals to personalze their weapons we could be rich. How about holsters and gunbags too? Thos idea is considered patented by me

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    I agree. But there should be restrictions on alcohol. Just like people shouldnt own aks or wmds.
    We've already banned automatics and certainly can't get wmds or even much lesser explosive devises.

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    George was really thinking that, even if he really didn't say it, tbh
    "it's true in spirit"

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    http://fxn.ws/2pLcKy9

    Pop going in on deletion the 2a, good
    Speaking of discussions that need to be had, how about a discussion on the 50Mills loyalty contract, the coaching job Poop has done this year, and Porker throwing Kawhi under the bus... you know, things that actually pertain to his job?

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    We've already banned automatics and certainly can't get wmds or even much lesser explosive devises.
    but surely the criminals are still using automatics and wmds because those laws only stop the good guys from getting those weapons right?

    yeah... i remember all the recent shootings with automatic weapons and bombings with wmds

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    Even with a majority Obama's ass couldnt get any strict gun reform through. That majority will always put re-election above reform ..and we Ameticans love our guns.
    That's fine, but then you can't call out Trump. If Obama has clean hands because he and his party favor winning elections over gun reforms, then he is no different than Trump. That's Pop's hypocrisy.

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    You are making a false equivalence in suggesting that because criminals break the law, that then those laws aren't necessary. The opposite is true, but it doesn't suit your narrative.
    agreed whole-heartedly... take it up with this guy

    But that those laws don't stop criminals from perpetrating crimes?

    The argument is rubbish because 'restricted access' means nothing to criminals. All that such laws would do is give criminal folk the upper hand against law-abiding folk.

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    Criminals dont care about gun laws, so gun laws won't work!

    but at the same time

    It's wrong to say that just because criminals break the law, then those laws aren't necessary!

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    "Even if they changed the age limit, it’s all a Band-Aid,” he said. “The obvious elephant in the room is the guns, weapons of war, the magazines. The real discussion should be about the Second Amendment. Is it useful? Does it serve its purpose the way it was supposed to do in the beginning? That discussion should be had.”
    Pop is one of those people trying to ban all guns that you idiots say don't exist.
    Having a discussion about the 2nd amendment = ban all guns... got it...

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    I agree. But there should be restrictions on alcohol. Just like people shouldnt own aks or wmds.
    Ok, but demonizing the gun lobby that is responsible for less deaths than alcohol is the height of hypocrisy. The far left is saying that if you want your AR-15, you are complicit in killing children and you have blood on your hands, even if you are a law abiding citizen that has never used your gun improperly. But turn the tables, if you favor banning say AR-15s that are responsible for only a tiny portion of deaths related to guns, then blood is on your hands if you aren't crying more about banning alcohol or pools or whatever.

    To be honest, I don't own guns, but I get tired of hearing the demonizing. If you want AR-15s banned, fine. I understand taking that position, though I don't think it will stop mass shootings. But stop demonizing those that disagree and obey the law.

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    On avg around 70% of USA gun deaths every year are SUICIDES,no gun is gonna stop that,the next highest percentage around 20% are gang crime related,that won't stop either,women being killed by their partners is the next highest group.

    All this actually points towards a massive improvement in mental health facilities, infrastructure etc along with improved police training/enforcement of restraining orders combined with firearm restrictions for violent abusers.

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    Criminals dont care about gun laws, so gun laws won't work!

    but at the same time

    It's wrong to say that just because criminals break the law, then those laws aren't necessary!
    Yes.

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    Criminals dont care about gun laws, so gun laws won't work!

    but at the same time

    It's wrong to say that just because criminals break the law, then those laws aren't necessary!
    No, you are talking about two classes of law breaking. Banning an AR-15 owned by who knows how many people because 11 people in our history have used it for violent crimes is more about punishing law abiding citizens than the minority crazies that want to commit mass murders. Criminalizing murder acts as both a deterrent (though not an effective one for crazies), but also as a punishment for those that break the law. People that will always be law abiding citizens are not impacted by murder laws, but they will be impacted by gun grabbing laws.

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    Yep. Make them take a conceal carry and gun safety at the end of middle school so they can have all weapons they need for jr high. If we sell decals to personalze their weapons we could be rich. How about holsters and gunbags too? Thos idea is considered patented by me
    damn, you're on to something big here

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    heart disease kills lots of people but I don't see the left saying jack about that, yet they want to take our ARs, ing hypocrites

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    Not saying Pop is full of on his political views but how can you expect him not to disagree w/ conservatives & Trump when the Lebron James, the best player in the league is so vocal in his disapproval of them/him. How can a white man esp. one his age, in today’s political climate, which mixes with every aspect of American society including sports, be expected to do anything other than get on his knees for the liberal agenda?

    I take Pop’s political commentary w/ a big grain of salt. Liberals have made it such that you risk your public rep & being outed as a bigot if you in any way agree w/ any conservative idea or figure esp. if you’re a white man. Because of the demographics of the league, & even it’s followers to a large extent (on both fronts to a greater degree than the other sports), he has to be ultra sensitive to that.

    Again not not saying he isn’t being sincere but I have to say that I’m not surprised to see him stand where he stands based on the things I mentioned. He’s got an image, & a job & a legacy to protect. But that’s what it is IMO. At this point you can ask him anything about the Democrats & (modern) liberalism & he’ll drop to his knees.

    What’s funny is the very media that reports on his political commentary knows this & is part of a greater media that pressures public figures to lean a certain way. Yet, they keep asking him questions as if they can expect honest answers. “So what do you think about xyz political issues, Mr. Popovich?” They know what he’s going to say. We all do.

    Take his political talk for what it is.

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    I wonder what Poop has to say about this?


    biden is as real as his hairline. if manu and parker were children biden would grope and kiss them all over.

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    Not saying Pop is full of on his political views but how can you expect him not to disagree w/ conservatives & Trump when the Lebron James, the best player in the league is so vocal in his disapproval of them/him. How can a white man esp. one his age, in today’s political climate, which mixes with every aspect of American society including sports, be expected to do anything other than get on his knees for the liberal agenda?
    Funny how literally every other coach in the league can do their jobs just fine without going on weekly rants about politics/Trump. And nobody's complaining that other coaches aren't promoting left-wing politics enough. Pop is the only one doing this schtick. I agree that it's at least partially motivated by his image and legacy - as well as diverting attention away from the Spurs' underachievement and drama this season - but I'm not seeing all this media pressure. Pop's choosing to do this.

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    Pop does not get the fact that his opinion and the way he voices it only drives a greater wedge between people and does nothing to solve the social problems at hand. He only makes it worse. He's become the old lady screaming at the villagers with pitchforks chasing Frankenstein.

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    crofl that biden meme. the gun free school zone act prohibited UNAUTHORIZED individuals from bringing a gun onto schools. doesn't stop you from having an armed resource officer

    not to mention it had already been passed in the house prior to biden introducing it to the senate. signed into law by bush. it's such lazy blame-shifting and people eat it up. such is that state of politics

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    Funny how literally every other coach in the league can do their jobs just fine without going on weekly rants about politics/Trump. And nobody's complaining that other coaches aren't promoting left-wing politics enough. Pop is the only one doing this schtick. I agree that it's at least partially motivated by his image and legacy - as well as diverting attention away from the Spurs' underachievement and drama this season - but I'm not seeing all this media pressure. Pop's choosing to do this.
    yeah pop never spoke about politics when the spurs were having success

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    agreed whole-heartedly... take it up with this guy
    You actually thought you had something here?

    The fact that you would conflate those two statements as referring to the same argument is highly disingenuous.

    Laws against murder are not equivalent to gun-control laws.

    The need for the former (direct preservation of life - one of our Cons utionally protectected, unalienable rights) does not drive the need for the latter (people’s irresponsible use of tools).

    My equivalence was stating the fact that the lack of respect for law by criminals is consistent.

    Nice try though.

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    lets make it legal for kids to carry guns then, they should have the right to protect themselves at school
    While we’re at it let’s let them dictate policy making for the nation.

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    You actually thought you had something here?

    The fact that you would conflate those two statements as referring to the same argument is highly disingenuous.

    Laws against murder are not equivalent to gun-control laws.

    The need for the former (direct preservation of life - one of our Cons utionally protectected, unalienable rights) does not drive the need for the latter (people’s irresponsible use of tools).

    My equivalence was stating the fact that the lack of respect for law by criminals is consistent.

    Nice try though.
    the general mentality that criminals will ignore laws and therefore the laws wont be effective is what i have a gripe against. it completely contradicts the purpose of any law. whether its a law you find important or not, the same principle is there.

    not to mention, the ease with which criminals can acquire weapons is directly related to the sheer volume of weapons in circulation. it's much easier to illegally acquire a gun here than in hong kong. a law that curbs circulation will have the indirect effect of making them less accessible, even through criminal means.

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