Kawhi is not resigning here

[tholdren]

KL is playing the Spurs & has been for a while IMO. That team meeting was a statement—by the whole organization, not just TP & Manu. Those guys have been sacrificing money to win their entire careers. Also, IMO anything coming out in the news that says otherwise is Kawhi’s team trying shed it in a different light/damage control.

Pop def didn’t see this coming w/ KL. To be fair, not sure how much of it is him or his “team”/uncle.

I think it’s RIDICULOUS how mistrusting KL/his team are of the Spurs though. The Spurs’ bread & butter has been taking guys that were/are looked over & giving them careers/lives they wouldn’t have otherwise had. In almost every way it’s been a very pro-player organization. The list is too long, & it also includes Kawhi. Anybody honestly think Kawhi is where he’s at if he got drafted by another team? NO.

Just looking at it from the outside, I think it’s unfortunate he got his uncle to be his agent. I think there’s a reason a lot of players stick w/ agents. It’s one thing to seek out advice from family members, another to basically give them the reigns to your career. KL obviously has a close relationship to his uncle, not going to go there.

But it’s apparent that KL is highly mistrusting of an organization that treats its players very well. And has been for a while.

At this point I wouldn’t mind if he left. Tired of this bull . Been watching the Spurs for 20 years. Watch them be overly cautious bringing players back from injury. Sitting players out as a preventative measure. Watch them take FINE WORTHY measures to protect their players’ health. Even to the chagrin of many fans.

Then “Oh, I want a second opinion.” Then they clear him too & he’s still sitting games out. & he ain’t even on the bench to support the guys playing.

this guy. GTFO already & don’t let the door hit your pussy on the way out.

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TP sacrificing money?

Is that why that er gladly signed a 4 year fat contract?

[tholdren]

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TP sacrificing money?

Is that why that er gladly signed a 4 year fat contract?

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[ElNono]

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TP sacrificing money?

Is that why that er gladly signed a 4 year fat contract?

[eDizzle20]

Whether or not Kawhi sticks with the Spurs long term the damage has been done and Kawhi or his team clearly doesn’t trust the Spurs medical staff. Any future injury he would suffer would always need to go through Kawhi’s medical staff and the same issue like now could arise again.

[jermaine]

I'm all for him being traded to LA. for Ingram an Randle, but the ripple effect of him not being signed is Anderson resigning, paying Danny, begging Ginobili to return, pay Rudy to a 3yr extension, keeping Mills starting at SG, an I pray an I mean I pray that we get a better big off the bench. Laverne has to go point blank period.

[duncan2k5]

KL is playing the Spurs & has been for a while IMO. That team meeting was a statement—by the whole organization, not just TP & Manu. Those guys have been sacrificing money to win their entire careers. Also, IMO anything coming out in the news that says otherwise is Kawhi’s team trying shed it in a different light/damage control.

Pop def didn’t see this coming w/ KL. To be fair, not sure how much of it is him or his “team”/uncle.

I think it’s RIDICULOUS how mistrusting KL/his team are of the Spurs though. The Spurs’ bread & butter has been taking guys that were/are looked over & giving them careers/lives they wouldn’t have otherwise had. In almost every way it’s been a very pro-player organization. The list is too long, & it also includes Kawhi. Anybody honestly think Kawhi is where he’s at if he got drafted by another team? NO.

Just looking at it from the outside, I think it’s unfortunate he got his uncle to be his agent. I think there’s a reason a lot of players stick w/ agents. It’s one thing to seek out advice from family members, another to basically give them the reigns to your career. KL obviously has a close relationship to his uncle, not going to go there.

But it’s apparent that KL is highly mistrusting of an organization that treats its players very well. And has been for a while.

At this point I wouldn’t mind if he left. Tired of this bull . Been watching the Spurs for 20 years. Watch them be overly cautious bringing players back from injury. Sitting players out as a preventative measure. Watch them take FINE WORTHY measures to protect their players’ health. Even to the chagrin of many fans.

Then “Oh, I want a second opinion.” Then they clear him too & he’s still sitting games out. & he ain’t even on the bench to support the guys playing.

this guy. GTFO already & don’t let the door hit your pussy on the way out.

this whole post sounds stupid and is full is wild, baseless assumptions...how has be been playing the spurs for a while? when did it start? when he went back into the game to play vs the warriors when he got his ankle sprained three times? GTFOH

[BillMc]

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

[baseline bum]

I think it’s absolutely money. I think the Spurs told him last summer that they cannot afford to give him the SuperMax, and it’s been all downhill since then.

If they told him that I don't blame him wanting out.

[MaNu4Tres]

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

Kawhi's group and Uncle have been feeding Kawhi every excuse why he should look elsewhere. This has been going on all season.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Whether or not Kawhi sticks with the Spurs long term the damage has been done and Kawhi or his team clearly doesn’t trust the Spurs medical staff. Any future injury he would suffer would always need to go through Kawhi’s medical staff and the same issue like now could arise again.

This is a good point

[cd98]

I'm just not sure what to think of all of this. Obviously, we only have piecemeal information and so we don't have a clear picture of what is happening. I'm assuming one of two things is going on: (1) Kawhi is injured and is worried that if he doesn't get 100%, then he will risk losing his big payday...sounds like the tendonopathy or whatever can be a significant long term issue if it isn't resolved and maybe he's spooked because it isn't 100% even with all the rest and rehab; or (2) he may or may not be injured, but he wants out of SA and the powers that be are telling him that even if he doesn't get the super max, he'll make more money from endorsements, etc. if he plays in a larger market.

Under the first scenario, the Spurs are driving the bus because they can super max him. Under the 2nd scenario, Kawhi is driving the bus because the only way to get to a team that could hypothetically get him more endorsements would be to get to California (really one of the LA teams) or New York. That's pretty much it and he can force his way by saying those are the only teams with which he will sign an extension. And the assets from both those teams are less attractive. But I would think the Spurs would prefer to get a haul from NY over LA.

It will be an interesting summer.

[Russ]

I think it’s absolutely money. I think the Spurs told him last summer that they cannot afford to give him the SuperMax, and it’s been all downhill since then.

If they told him that I don't blame him wanting out.

Why would they tell him that?

[Dex]

I'm all for him being traded to LA. for Ingram an Randle, but the ripple effect of him not being signed is Anderson resigning, paying Danny, begging Ginobili to return, pay Rudy to a 3yr extension, keeping Mills starting at SG, an I pray an I mean I pray that we get a better big off the bench. Laverne has to go point blank period.

Even Pop realizes this guy is a scrub and only puts him in when the Spurs are up 20 or down 20 in the 4th.

[Brunodf]

Why would they tell him that?

I could see that being the case of the Spurs management being too honest and telling him in advance so it doesn't look like they waited until the last minute to try to guilt him into a cheaper contract. Because the management is aware that a Supermax deal would cripple any small market team chances of building a championship roster

[SpursBig3s]

Kawhi's group and Uncle have been feeding Kawhi every excuse why he should look elsewhere. This has been going on all season.

Not questioning your take or what you have supposedly heard, but in your opinion, is that not the dumbest line of thinking ever? Pop prioritizing wins over KL's health? that is so re ed

[Dex]

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

Not questioning your take or what you have supposedly heard, but in your opinion, is that not the dumbest line of thinking ever? Pop prioritizing wins over KL's health? that is so re ed

I don't buy that narrative at all. Pop has a well-do ented history of prioritizing health over wins, from holding Duncan out in 2000 to resting his stars to managing Manu's minutes. He's also given Kawhi time off for nagging injuries when needed.

Nobody knows who made the final call when Kawhi came back for those 9 games, but I sincerely doubt it was Pop forcing Kawhi out on the floor against his will...and Pop's already said several times that they aren't trying to do that now.

Passive aggressive or not, he literally has said, "It's Kawhi's call."

Obviously, there is a sense of urgency since we have 5 games left and still haven't clinched a playoff spot, but Pop will roll with the guys he has if he needs to.

[r0drig0lac]

Why would they tell him that?

they do not, because that does not make any sense

[K...]

Hmm interesting scenario is the Spurs go to kawhi and say, sorry no Max. The Spurs don't get an agreement. Next best option is kawhi plays well land gets traded at the deadline or off season. The injury frustrates that. Kawhi, knowing the Spurs won't offer the super Max makes no effort to return.

This is still unlikely as the team wouldn't foreclose the super max unless there was some urgent ownership drama

[BackHome]

I am not signing a guy to any contract who needs his own doctors to clear him to play. I am not signing any player to a contract who has sat out a whole year to soft tissue issues/inflammation.

He he is going to screw himself though cause Pop kept the media away from him. When he goes to La or New York s going to be on him like flies on his life will be a living .

Trade him to who ever gives us the best picks/players.
1. Get rid of Forbes and Paul ASAP
2. Get rid of Joffrey bring in our foreign Center to replace him and Fosil
3. Retire Tony

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I am not signing a guy to any contract who needs his own doctors to clear him to play. I am not signing any player to a contract who has sat out a whole year to soft tissue issues/inflammation.

He he is going to screw himself though cause Pop kept the media away from him. When he goes to La or New York s going to be on him like flies on his life will be a living .

Trade him to who ever gives us the best picks/players.

Really good points-

The getting cleared by outside doctors thing ought to be a red flag to the Spurs moving forward. As is the given excuse of an injury that isn't repairable by surgery.

The media stuff will wear on him in other big markets I'd think unless he's just flat unhappy here and is willing to forego his quiet nature for more scrutiny to be happy.

As for the trade, I think the writing is on the wall now. But I'll trust PATFO to make the right call on that moving forward. Given your first point, I just can't see Pop or RC putting up with being p'wnd by outside doctors. **That** is definitely not the Spurs way.

[Russ]

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

"Sometimes the truth is less important than what's believed." @4:03.

[John B]

RC/Pop will resign Kawhi. You don’t get the best 2way player, top 5 player in the league especially in a small market like San Antonio. Kawhi is the best chance for Spurs to compete for the next 7-10 years. Pop will work it out like what he did with LMA last summer and move on.