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    This lineup will beat the Mavs:

    PG Parker
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    SF Bowen
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    C Nesterovic

    Keep Manu's "I left my game at the Alamodome celebration, have you seen it?" ass on the pine and bring him in for some bench explosiveness. We rolled Denver with that, why not try again.
    J.T., I agree with you! I think either Finley or Barry would be a good start for the Spurs. Spurs need Horry to come off the bench to add that 3pt punch.

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    So long as the Spurs are actually starting a 5 at the 5 spot, all is good.

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    Right, but that's why you want to force Nowitzki to guard a big. I think you want Bowen on Howard instead of Nowitzki. You also want the Spurs to run a bigger lineup. That means you want Mohammed on their 5 and TD on their 4.
    I agree with Bowen on Howard, but I don't think "forcing" Dirk to guard Nazr is going to do much except give him the night off on defense.

    Otherwise, you have to go with Bowen or another guard on Nowitzki and then you have TD at center with 4 guards.
    Or Horry on Dirk, and Tim inside on the current stiff so that he can provide interior help.

    I'm sure you disagree, but I don't think we lost game 2 because starting Horry isn't good enough. I think we lost game 2 because Tony and Manu sucked and we didn't keep Howard under control.

    I think you stick with size on Nowitzki and focus on keeping him out of the lane. With a shotblocker behind TD I wouldn't mind the tradeoff.
    I understand your point, but Nazr isn't nearly as good a help defender inside as Tim. Sending Tim out to the perimeter to chase Dirk weakens the scheme.

    It might lead to better rebounding, but even then, it leaves Tim out of position to grab the boards, and puts Nazr there instead.

    Honestly, I'm not wild about Nazr defending Dirk, but if I were going to start him, I would try that before I would give up the advantage of having Tim in the paint.

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    I just think we had one bad game, every team does, look at how Miami played really bad at home in game one, came back in game 2 and slaughtered the nets. One game at a time, The spurs will still win in 5

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    I agree with Bowen on Howard, but I don't think "forcing" Dirk to guard Nazr is going to do much except give him the night off on defense.
    Nowitzki can't stop a wet paper bag in the post. Bodying up on a big all night will wear him out.


    Or Horry on Dirk, and Tim inside on the current stiff so that he can provide interior help.
    The problem is when Tim is pulled away from the basket and you are counting on Horry or, ugh, a guard to protect the rim. The Spurs need to focus on shutting down the paint first and foremost. That's where Spurs Basketball started at the dawn of time. Next you worry about matchups.


    I'm sure you disagree, but I don't think we lost game 2 because starting Horry isn't good enough. I think we lost game 2 because Tony and Manu sucked and we didn't keep Howard under control.
    The Spurs lost Game 2 primarily because the rim was not protected. The Mavs had I don't know how many points in the paint, a number on easy layups. Of course, TD sitting for the last half of the 2nd quarter had something to do with this, but even when he was back in the game the interior D was poor. Why? Because it was either TD and Horry or TD and a guard up front. That is not Spurs Basketball.


    I understand your point, but Nazr isn't nearly as good a help defender inside as Tim. Sending Tim out to the perimeter to chase Dirk weakens the scheme.
    Having Michael Finley at the rim as the last line of defense weakens the scheme.


    It might lead to better rebounding, but even then, it leaves Tim out of position to grab the boards, and puts Nazr there instead.
    It's all about protecting the paint. Every Spurs championship was won based on that principle. Working out from that, you focus on challenging every shot and limiting the opponent to one and done. What matters is that it's Nazr there and not Finley or Barry. Go with Rasho if you like. I don't care. All I want to see is a shotblocker alongside TD instead of a guard.


    Honestly, I'm not wild about Nazr defending Dirk, but if I were going to start him, I would try that before I would give up the advantage of having Tim in the paint.
    In Game 2 TD was pulled away from the paint on any number of plays. You need the other big there, not a guard.

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    Nowitzki can't stop a wet paper bag in the post. Bodying up on a big all night will wear him out.
    My complaint is that Nazr is a wet paper bag on offense.

    The problem is when Tim is pulled away from the basket and you are counting on Horry or, ugh, a guard to protect the rim. The Spurs need to focus on shutting down the paint first and foremost. That's where Spurs Basketball started at the dawn of time. Next you worry about matchups.
    Point taken.

    In Game 2 TD was pulled away from the paint on any number of plays. You need the other big there, not a guard.
    You're right that Tim gets pulled away from the paint a lot. And you're right that it would be nice to have a Plan B back there that was better than Horry.

    But I still have a lot of trouble with the idea of pulling Tim out of the paint entirely. Because if Tim is on Dirk all night, Dirk never even tries to cross the 3-point line, and Nazr is our only line of defense in the paint.

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    I just think we had one bad game, every team does, look at how Miami played really bad at home in game one, came back in game 2 and slaughtered the nets. One game at a time, The spurs will still win in 5
    Spurs in 5??? Step away from the crack pipe

    Spurs might win the series but it's not gonna be in 5 games.

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    I just think we had one bad game, every team does, look at how Miami played really bad at home in game one, came back in game 2 and slaughtered the nets. One game at a time, The spurs will still win in 5
    You just had 1 bad game? Well in that case we had 2 bad games....

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    Don't say I didn't warn you when the Mavs come back to SA down 3-1. Starting with Game 3, no more Mr. Nice Pop.

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    Nazr vs. Dirk? I would love that as a mavs fan. Nazr is as slow of a defender on the perimeter as you get. Dirk would go for 50.

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    My complaint is that Nazr is a wet paper bag on offense.
    His offensive rebounding is solid. The Mavs have to box him out.

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    Don't say I didn't warn you when the Mavs come back to SA down 3-1. Starting with Game 3, no more Mr. Nice Pop.
    What happens if the Spurs are the ones who are down 3-1? Right now that looks likely, afterall we have home court and you guys don't have Keith Van Horn!

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    Nazr vs. Dirk? I would love that as a mavs fan. Nazr is as slow of a defender on the perimeter as you get. Dirk would go for 50.
    We were discussing the Mavs' defense. Is Dirk going to guard TD instead?

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    What happens if the Spurs are the ones who are down 3-1? Right now that looks likely, afterall we have home court and you guys don't have Keith Van Horn!
    *shudder*

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    We were discussing the Mavs' defense. Is Dirk going to guard TD instead?
    Why would Dirk guard TD? I mean he can if that's what you're asking, but why would he? That's not his job.

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    We were discussing the Mavs' defense. Is Dirk going to guard TD instead?
    Dirk would guard Nazr. Dirk guards centers just fine as long as they aren't dominant.

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    The point was that when you don't follow the flow of the thread then you end up posting an irrelevant point.

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    Dirk would guard Nazr. Dirk guards centers just fine as long as they aren't dominant.
    Good. Then Dirk will spend most of the game playing interior defense and trying to box out a real big, as opposed to being matched up with a guard.

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    Dirk would guard Nazr. Dirk guards centers just fine as long as they aren't dominant.
    actually he does a great job on alot of centers who are considered scorers, Brad Miller, Kaman, Mihm, Diaw, granted not dominant, but more offense than Nazr.............

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    What happens if the Spurs are the ones who are down 3-1? Right now that looks likely, afterall we have home court and you guys don't have Keith Van Horn!
    I don't get Mavs fans thinking their team is in the drivers seat after a 20pt blowout when the Spurs played like , something they do not do consistently and certainly won't do again in this series given the results, and the game was obviously hosed by questionable officiating. If you win another game in this series, it will not be by 20 points. I suggest you shut the up and let your team do the talking, at least the Spurs have a history of responding well to losses. The last team that blew us out in the playoffs was Sacramento, and they're at Bibby's lakehouse right now baiting their lines.

    It's 1-1 right now, talk to me when your team has an actual ing lead in this series.

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    actually he does a great job on alot of centers who are considered scorers, Brad Miller, Kaman, Mihm, Diaw, granted not dominant, but more offense than Nazr.............
    Right, finesse guys who tend to play outside of the paint.

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    Oh yeah,

    # of Spurs 3 game losing streaks this season: 0

    Mavs have no chance at winning 3 in a row on us. Too bad their idiot fans can't see that. I'll just let the boxscore do the talking.

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    Good. Then Dirk will spend most of the game playing interior defense and trying to box out a real big, as opposed to being matched up with a guard.
    When was he outside the paint on defense in this series matched up with a guard? When you guys went' small he guarded TD, when you were big he guarded Nazr or Horry, he was in the paint as he is most often on defense. Memphis tried the same in round 1 going at Dirk in the post with that Euro Sakeledis guy, it didn't work and he has more game than Nazr.........

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    Oh yeah,

    # of Spurs 3 game losing streaks this season: 0

    Mavs have no chance at winning 3 in a row on us. Too bad their idiot fans can't see that. I'll just let the boxscore do the talking.
    Well 1st I'll bring up what you guys say all the time "this isn't the regular season" 2nd you aren't playing Detroit one night, then the Bobcats the next 3rd if you're just going to let the boxscore do the talking than why are you talking trash?

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    Oh yeah,

    # of Spurs 3 game losing streaks this season: 0

    Mavs have no chance at winning 3 in a row on us. Too bad their idiot fans can't see that. I'll just let the boxscore do the talking.
    But the spurs have never played the mavs 3 times in a row have they.

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