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If you trade Kawhi like we’ve discussed, then you would get that higher pick + have the 18th pick as well
Murray is what, 21? He's about to make an all defensive team and he's shown so much growth and you're writing him off? Kyle Anderson is a good role player for many roles, and you're writing him off?
If you trade Kawhi like we’ve discussed, then you would get that higher pick + have the 18th pick as well
No, we're not tossing the LMA for the sake of it. We're getting some type of return for LMA while he still has value while making the team terrible enough to have a shot at a top lottery pick and land a DRob, Duncan, AD, LeBron, etc.
Again, this is all a moot point since we both know the FO would never do it. So let's go ahead and raise those "made playoffs during a year where no West team outside of HOU/GS is getting to the Finals" banners. Great season guys!
It is a great job. For a roster you say isn’t worth keeping around, they sure were pretty damn good compared to most every other team in the league. This same team with Kawhi this year would be a legit threat to go to the WCF.
And yet, you don't want to give them a chance to make a lotto pick while they still have a vet core around them...
I don't know why you think he's immune to making bad picks just because he's been good at avoiding complete catastrophes almost exclusively low-firsts. Most of the guys who bust aren't obvious bad picks. And most of the guys drafted are neither booms nor busts. Look at 2016s top-10 and tell me which of the picks are busts and which are stars. I got Simmons as the only star and Bender and Chriss as the busts. The rest are completely inconsequential. They're decent players who will probably have three or four NBA contracts but who won't be the best player on anything but extreme bottom-feeding clubs.I don't know why you think Buford is going to pick Stauskas and Jimmer but you must think so since you keep bringing up the Kings.
Buford isn't going to always find the needle in the haystack. He may avoid the toxic waste, but that's not good enough to have a quick rebuild. Other teams are drafting too, and they get the better of the Spurs from time to time. Or even if he carries around a secret magnate with him, he might find himself in a draft like 2015 where the only guy drafted between 2 and 10 who is anything more than a replacement-level player is WCS, and even he is just a "goodish" player. , even "pretty good" players like Turner and Booker aren't getting you out of the lotto in a decent amount of time.
What do you think Murray's ceiling is tbh? He's a nice player but I legit doubt he ever gets above average starter level. The defense is nice, but at a position where it's least important. Kyle is a great 7th or 8th player in the rotation on a championship team. If you're team is absolutely stacked then sure bring him onboard. But I'm not resting easy for the next 5 years because Kyle F'n Anderson is locked up
Are you more likely to find a franchise player picking once at 7-11, once at 18, and three times at 18-22 or once at 7-11, once at 18, and three times at 1-4?
Concur completely. If they decide to move him, it will be proactively done because they simply do not want him here.
I assume they will take the best offer among any out there. That said, I can potentially see them being motivated to NOT send him where he wants to go given his shenanigans this year. I can also sense them shipping him East just so you dont have to play him 3 or 4 times per year, once or twice back in the AT&T Center.
Trading LMA doesn’t get you that opportunity.
I don't know what Murray's ceiling is, but I know all he needs is a jump shot and he's an above average point guard in this league without adding anything else. And he's ing young. The idea that having a great defender at the 1 is not important is incredible. Not even sure what to say to that, honestly.What do you think Murray's ceiling is tbh? He's a nice player but I legit doubt he ever gets above average starter level. The defense is nice, but at a position where it's least important. Kyle is a great 7th or 8th player in the rotation on a championship team. If you're team is absolutely stacked then sure bring him onboard. But I'm not resting easy for the next 5 years because Kyle F'n Anderson is locked up
You are acting like the roster is trash. Trash is having Paul George, Russ, Melo & Adams...oh wait..
SA pissed away almost every close game they encountered. They were closer to being with Portland than they were being out of the playoffs. It doesn't take a superstar to not lose like eight games in 11 when you're leading in the fourth-quarter or whatever it was. It just takes not relying on old or washed up guys to make big shots. You can fix that with good, targeted free-agent signings and trades.
How many wins do you see this year's team having if Aldridge was out for the season too?
Yes, which means it wasn't a fluke.
This year? With Kawhi unexpectedly missing the entire year and then LMA with no planning? 25 wins maybe.
But that wouldn’t be the case here. SA would be signing players, young guys would have more experience. There is no argument you can make to me that would justifying blowing up the team to get what would amount to MAYBE a late lottery pick for LMA.
Don't forget being absolute dog on the road. This team is ing terrible and I guess we're supposed to be excited about it sans Kawhi because there are other trash teams in the West with also zero chance of winning a ring.
But all their other wins were? They won the same/more games than most teams in the league.
Those of you who want to blow it up, whats the most you think you get from a LMA trade?
Not really. It means they underperformed their expected talent level. If you're legit bad, you don't even find yourself leading in the fourth so many times.
This is what I don't understand. People want to focus on how bad this team was, but a Kawhi trade gets you at least players who make you improve by 5-10 games easily with no other changes. How is the argument that this team is garbage without pointing out that the margin between this team and a top 4 team in the league is not very large.
You're talking a single lotto pick, probably 7 or later. I'm talking multiple lotto picks. Of course Buford's not going to hit it out of the park on every pick, but I see it as the best way to get him a chance to do it once. The draft is the only way they're getting another Leonard, or a Davis, or a Simmons that could give them a foundation to build a contender around. If you're not going to blow the team up your best bet is probably just daring Kawhi to pull this act for another year and hoping he stops being a or tells his uncle to go himself next year.
Exactly. SA even on the road, led by DOUBLE DIGITS in over 60% of their games. You can’t suck and consistently do that. Let alone make the playoffs in the West. Sorry, doesnt happen.
So it doesn't HAVE to be the team that drafted you, as long as it was the team that you signed with for the first extension after the rookie contract was up.
So if you traded for the guy in his first 4 years or less, you can still extend him and then have the rights to his supermax 4-5 years later.
It also means they had a sub optimal approach. How many games did they lose because they were simply waiting for a savior to come back that was never going to come.
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