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    If collecting grocery carts is all they are capable of it sucks to be them but thats life. Kids coming out of blue collar trade schools are starting at 50k-80k depending on skill and work ethic. There are mechanics in SA making 6 figures three years out of trade school.

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    I have three guys in their early 20s making a salary and benefit package of 70k a year with high school degrees with plenty of opportunity to improve on that.

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    I would hire a kid tomorrow at 75k package to start if he had mechanical skills, could pass a 6G welding test and drug test with no Dui's.

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    Uhhh. Employers are falling all over themselves to get decent employees. You can get canned in the morning and be working before lunch.
    You ever visited a town with a population of less than 5000?

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    Able bodied people can't get disability because they are able bodied. They also don't have health problems because they are able bodied. So in effect you're saying "besides daycare". There's a difference between employment and gainful employment. You and I could get a job collecting baskets from the parking lot of HEB. That wouldn't pay a mortgage, college tuition, car payment, insurance, medical, food, etc..

    The reason some people are unemployed is because they have a price for success, and what's available doesn't pay it.

    How much will my unemployment benefits be in Texas?
    Amount and Duration of Unemployment Benefits in Texas. As explained above, the Texas Workforce Commission determines your weekly unemployment benefit amount by dividing your earnings for the highest paid quarter of the base period by 25, up to a maximum of $465 per week. Benefits are available for up to 26 weeks.

    So $465 x 26 weeks pays college Tuition? The jobs down in Texas pay less than that?

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    You ever visited a town with a population of less than 5000?
    Lol. Around here that's the big city. o Burger King.

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    Exactly one more than ducks

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    I have three guys in their early 20s making a salary and benefit package of 70k a year with high school degrees with plenty of opportunity to improve on that.
    I would hire a kid tomorrow at 75k package to start if he had mechanical skills, could pass a 6G welding test and drug test with no Dui's.
    damn. that solves the national problem right there

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    I’m glad there are still lots of opportunity and the economy is strong. Could care less who gets credit.

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    And I think H1B undercuts American workers more than illegals.

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    And I think H1B undercuts American workers more than illegals.
    I guess this is more computer industry oriented problem.
    In the natural sciences we are getting some very good people. They need to be made citizens.

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    damn. that solves the national problem right there
    Funny guy. CC's story is a lot more common than the doomsayer's would have you believe.

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    I guess this is more computer industry oriented problem.
    In the natural sciences we are getting some very good people. They need to be made citizens.
    I just know that I’m on conference calls where I can’t understand any of these people. Wasn’t the case a decade ago.

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    Tech companies are probably saving a fortune with H1B, but it really slows down productivity, IMO.

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    Truck drivers can make 80k a year easy and companies cant get enough drivers. Companies will pay for the training too. Problem is they have to drug test to keep their CDL.
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    I would hire a kid tomorrow at 75k package to start if he had mechanical skills, could pass a 6G welding test and drug test with no Dui's.
    Yeah but you'd be hiring a dumb guy. Unless he also had a bachelor's in sociology and the debt to go along with it, then he'd be smart.

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    How much will my unemployment benefits be in Texas?
    Amount and Duration of Unemployment Benefits in Texas. As explained above, the Texas Workforce Commission determines your weekly unemployment benefit amount by dividing your earnings for the highest paid quarter of the base period by 25, up to a maximum of $465 per week. Benefits are available for up to 26 weeks.

    So $465 x 26 weeks pays college Tuition? The jobs down in Texas pay less than that?
    I'm guessing you never had a career. You present a resume to a hiring manager, it shows you're a door greeter at Walmart for the past year, but below that you were a senior director of operations for a company that decided India was a better plan. To the hiring manager, you're a door greeter who somehow managed to get a temporary job as a senior director, probably why they went to India, and you regressed to your mean.

    Long game, not everything is about unemployment. Most people I know have enough money to withstand a couple years without a job, they are still unemployed though.

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    If collecting grocery carts is all they are capable of it sucks to be them but thats life. Kids coming out of blue collar trade schools are starting at 50k-80k depending on skill and work ethic. There are mechanics in SA making 6 figures three years out of trade school.
    No one gets a starting salary based on a work ethic no one has seen. You might want to quell the bull just a few notches. There are PhDs working for state offices making 60K a year. Most blue collar jobs pay hourly. You make 80K on an hourly wage, you're working 60+ hours a week or you're a craftsman.

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    If collecting grocery carts is all they are capable of it sucks to be them but thats life. Kids coming out of blue collar trade schools are starting at 50k-80k depending on skill and work ethic. There are mechanics in SA making 6 figures three years out of trade school.
    No one said about capable. If you take a job making minimum wage, you might get your John Wayne grub groove on "man's gotta work", but there's a reason people progress in their career field instead of starting over every time they leave a job.



    This gave you a lot more than you asked for... 10+ years of experience, excellent worker even has people reporting to him. Far ing cry from 80K.

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    No one gets a starting salary based on a work ethic no one has seen. You might want to quell the bull just a few notches. There are PhDs working for state offices making 60K a year. Most blue collar jobs pay hourly. You make 80K on an hourly wage, you're working 60+ hours a week or you're a craftsman.
    You can find out in a quick hurry if someone is qualified. No one is is offering 80k without seeing what someone is all about but you better be damn quick about a raise if you like what you see.

    There's a lot of denial here about what sort of money is out there.

    Drug free, reliable, willing to learn, and common sense will get you a very nice life.

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    No one said about capable. If you take a job making minimum wage, you might get your John Wayne grub groove on "man's gotta work", but there's a reason people progress in their career field instead of starting over every time they leave a job.



    This gave you a lot more than you asked for... 10+ years of experience, excellent worker even has people reporting to him. Far ing cry from 80K.
    Shops billing this excellent worker out at $5k/week but after ten years this guy, who has people beneath him hasn't ventured out doing repairs on his own? He already owns his tools. What's the story on him? If CC don't hire him I'll make him an offer...

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    You can find out in a quick hurry if someone is qualified. No one is is offering 80k without seeing what someone is all about but you better be damn quick about a raise if you like what you see.

    There's a lot of denial here about what sort of money is out there.

    Drug free, reliable, willing to learn, and common sense will get you a very nice life.
    no

    CC said 50 - 80 right out of school. You say no but better be there with a raise.

    I showed you the range for even 10 - 14 year mechanics (blue collar trade school). HVAC will be higher, not a lot. I can cherry pick hair stylists that make 100K a year. That doesn't mean cosmotology pays 100K a year...

    I think the hyperbole is too thick here.

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    Shops billing this excellent worker out at $5k/week but after ten years this guy, who has people beneath him hasn't ventured out doing repairs on his own? He already owns his tools. What's the story on him? If CC don't hire him I'll make him an offer...
    If he's doing repairs on his own, he's not getting a raise. Do you think every mechanic and blue collar professional in SA opens their own business after 10 or so years on the job? Would there even be enough business for everyone?

    Stick with one or the other.

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    I just think the employment model is fundamentally different than it was in years past. The days of people working for the same company for most of their working lives and retiring with a pention are long gone. A lot of people have to job hop, work extra jobs on the side, or start their own small business to keep pace with inflation. A lot of the blue collar trades have high money making potential, but they have to work for it. Not some 40hr, 9-5 position in other words. Base salaries are not coming close to keeping up with surging real estate costs.

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    no

    CC said 50 - 80 right out of school. You say no but better be there with a raise.

    I showed you the range for even 10 - 14 year mechanics (blue collar trade school). HVAC will be higher, not a lot. I can cherry pick hair stylists that make 100K a year. That doesn't mean cosmotology pays 100K a year...

    I think the hyperbole is too thick here.
    One of the worst guys I had working was a guy that was over in Iraq. "I drive truck all the time over in Iraq”. Good right? It was a Hummer that he called a truck. He didn't know what air brakes were, never had a trailer on, etc.

    Last year I gave a guy a $3 raise after the first week. I'm giving a guy a little time to see if he shows up, etc. Not speaking for CC but I'm pretty sure he's making sure that the guy is doing the things he asked first. That's still right out of school in my book.

    My point being about the mechanic is that he probably isn't very good.

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