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    He won't fade into mediocrity. He's a top 3 player who held out for a season over a minor injury. He didn't blow out his knee or tear his achilles.
    Does a top 3 player pull this kind of bs? Does a top 3 player have the social skills of a dysfunctional child? Does a top 3 player pout and quit on an entire season to create a bargaining chip? I'll admit, I'm hoping he goes to a bigger market where he'll be less coddled just to watch him crumble. He's never even played a full season or had a healthy season. Color me not impressed with his mentality and character. I'd love to see him on a dysfunctional franchise like PHX after this.

    I feel a bit like I'm rambling but I hope the flaws in his character transfer over into his ability to produce on the court.

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    From Good Will Hunting:

    Will: “He used to just put a belt, a stick, and a wrench on the kitchen table and say, ‘Choose.’”
    Sean: “Well, I gotta go with the belt there.”
    Will: “I used to go with the wrench.”
    Sean: “Why?”
    Will: “’Cause him. That’s why.”

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    From Good Will Hunting:

    Will: “He used to just put a belt, a stick, and a wrench on the kitchen table and say, ‘Choose.’”
    Sean: “Well, I gotta go with the belt there.”
    Will: “I used to go with the wrench.”
    Sean: “Why?”
    Will: “’Cause him. That’s why.”

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    20 million spent on spite:


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    I am tired of this drama just trade him and be done but I understand we getting what we getting we ain't playing.

    Now is the time to also getting rid of Forbes, Paul, Anderson, and Tony and look at trading Gasol and Mills.

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    The claim was that Leonard had/has myositis ossification. That condition is not difficult to diagnose with an MRI which is done in these athletes like candy is passed out on Halloween. I call bull on Leonard and his orchestrating group, ers nothing but a malingering . Let him rot in NY another year and sue him, his uncle and their sorry asses.

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    Spurs have leverage with remaining year under contract and Bird rights. No rush.

    At some point though, if he's still not ready to play in spite of all evidence, then yes, suspension is in order.

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    Boston or Philly make most sense as trade partners, both can put together an attractive return, you move him out of the West and you can also create a little bidding war between the two rivals.

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    A healthy Kawhi cleared by all Dr. No way in is Ainge going to want to loose out on that trade and him going to Flakers or even worse Philly. They are multiple teams that are going to feel Kawhi out and put packages that will involve their own team and even three way deals if possible. I just hope this gets figured out by draft night.

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    At this point, him. His marketability is limited because he comes across as a deaf mute. Players get endorsement deals in today's NBA despite playing in smaller markets. His group seems like the keystone cops and there's some rather transparent collusion going on with the Lakers. The past weekend with the intended diss with the trade demand leak was only intended to embarrass the Spurs and force their hand. It's silly because the last thing the Spurs are going to do after that is give him and his group what they want.

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    Does a top 3 player pull this kind of bs? Does a top 3 player have the social skills of a dysfunctional child? Does a top 3 player pout and quit on an entire season to create a bargaining chip? I'll admit, I'm hoping he goes to a bigger market where he'll be less coddled just to watch him crumble. He's never even played a full season or had a healthy season. Color me not impressed with his mentality and character. I'd love to see him on a dysfunctional franchise like PHX after this.

    I feel a bit like I'm rambling but I hope the flaws in his character transfer over into his ability to produce on the court.
    Yeah this episode has been revealing. Regardless if he wants out, to not play in the playoffs when you're (really) good to go is bull when thinking about great players of today, before thinking of prior generations. Also every team out there is going to wonder is he going to pull this again if he's on their roster. The truth about what really happened will get out.

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    They should be in absolutely no rush whatsoever to do anything. Let it play out the rest of the summer. Make him come to training camp. Make him actually have to face the music with the media. Play in the preseason and yes even have to play quite a few games in the Spurs uniform next year. Or he can sit out another season and then see if anybody wants to sign him after that. I would be in no rush to trade him anywhere.
    This. No rush. Make him sweat.

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    Maybe 25 years ago an act like this to force a trade after being paid $20 mil to play 9 games would've gone over well, but I suspect this will have damaged his value somewhat. He is getting some bad advice, regardless if you want a trade if you can play, you play. Trying to claim the Spurs are not doing everything they can for your health and career is ludicrous. I remain surprised that it's come to this, but the Spurs are in a position to cash in with a trade and move on.

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    Spurs have until October 16 to get Kawhi to sign the Supermax, if they want to salvage this.

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    Honestly, I like Jackson, and Phoenix have a bunch of picks that could end up being good players to used in further trades (both of the rebuilding and reloading kind). They should also be able to take back Mills' salary. I agree with Harlem that it really just comes down to PATFO thinking someone else on the Suns' roster is worth a , whether that be Chriss, Bender, Warren () or one of their less-mentioned guys. It's not hard to beat offers like Ingram and ty-ass Kuzma, and Philly only has a real shot if PATFO loves Fultz. Boston has a chance to make a great offer, but they won't, because they got it in their heads that Tatum and Brown are stars and made the mistake of paying a max contract to a guy they hope ends up being their third-best wing. Phoenix, even without including first-overall, could win the day.

    16, 32, MKE and MIA picks along with swaps in 2019 and 2020, Jackson, Chandler and Bender for Kawhi, Mills and Pau. Provided someone good falls to 16, it could easily be the best possible deal in a few years.

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    You think Kawhi is just going to sit out the season if suspended. I don't. He cares about endorsement money, which he won't be making when he's not on the floor. He is a basketball nut, it'll drive him crazy missing another year. I think it's the only way to get him to accept a trade to more teams. I think it's pretty much the only move the Spurs have to try to get any kind of leverage in this situation. And if it fails oh well, the Spurs miss out on getting a couple of crap players and cost Leonard money as well as a year of his prime if he doesn't value either. I cannot advocate just giving him away only so you can say you got something and I do not ever want to see him in a Spurs uniform again since it's not the Spurs responsibility to get him ready to hit the ground running with his next team.
    Yeah, I don't see any reconciliation at this point. This past weekend was meant to be a you to the Spurs by his camp.

    At some point they'll figure out that was stupid. Trade his ass to Milwaukee or Indiana and then unload all the dirt about him sitting out for no good reason.

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    Forgetting Kawhi for the moment, what would be the worst outcome for uncle Dennis's little agency start up?

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    Yeah this episode has been revealing. Regardless if he wants out, to not play in the playoffs when you're (really) good to go is bull when thinking about great players of today, before thinking of prior generations. Also every team out there is going to wonder is he going to pull this again if he's on their roster. The truth about what really happened will get out.
    Either way, Kawhi loses somewhat in his legacy.

    Greatness is measued in intangible as well as tangible ways.

    Russell, Jordan, Thomas, Robinson, Duncan .....would never contemplate the deception of Kawhis group.

    Shame on Kawhis group.

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    Losing his blood relative money and damaging his rep.

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    Maybe 25 years ago an act like this to force a trade after being paid $20 mil to play 9 games would've gone over well, but I suspect this will have damaged his value somewhat. He is getting some bad advice, regardless if you want a trade if you can play, you play. Trying to claim the Spurs are not doing everything they can for your health and career is ludicrous. I remain surprised that it's come to this, but the Spurs are in a position to cash in with a trade and move on.
    Totally agree.

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    Good Sirs, what happens to deserters in an army??

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    Unless the Spurs were hardcore positioning to not pay Leonard the supermax, this looks like a major error on his part.

    Even if you want a trade, why create such doubt about your health and give the Spurs and anyone else a reason to not max you? Now you just burned a bridge, the one path to a lot more $. Plus you just gave the Spurs all the reason to not work with you. I would not be surprised to see him end up with a cold weather small market team in the East.

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    Listening to some to the out there is just sickening. Like why would PATFO be gloating to Woj about how much leverage they thought they had over Kawhi to the point that they "overplayed their hand"? Maybe, just maybe, saying they weren't giving Leonard the DPE wasn't a ploy, but them honestly drawing the line in the sand. Maybe Kawhi's team freaking out about the Spurs' stance is there way of playing their own hands and trying to force PATFO to give them what they want. And maybe, just maybe, when Kawhi gets traded to Phoenix and forever loses out on the DPE, his group will go "oh , we overplayed our hand".

    Despite all the bull we hear, the Spurs are not new to contract disputes or guys wanting out. Leonard's team, on the other hand, are new to all this and clearly very naive. If anyone should be accused of making a tactical error, it should be them, not PATFO. But that wouldn't get as many clicks.

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    Listening to some to the out there is just sickening. Like why would PATFO be gloating to Woj about how much leverage they thought they had over Kawhi to the point that they "overplayed their hand"? Maybe, just maybe, saying they weren't giving Leonard the DPE wasn't a ploy, but them honestly drawing the line in the sand. Maybe Kawhi's team freaking out about the Spurs' stance is there way of playing their own hands and trying to force PATFO to give them what they want. And maybe, just maybe, when Kawhi gets traded to Phoenix and forever loses out on the DPE, his group will go "oh , we overplayed our hand".

    Despite all the bull we hear, the Spurs are not new to contract disputes or guys wanting out. Leonard's team, on the other hand, are new to all this and clearly very naive. If anyone should be accused of making a tactical error, it should be them, not PATFO. But that wouldn't get as many clicks.
    Exactly. How can anyone not see Leonard's group is playing a game that's way above their head. Tricks are for kids!

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