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So wait, Kawhi ran from NY and had to be chased down by Pop in San Diego? I don't get how this was the plan all along when the same reputable guys reporting the San Diego meet were reporting the NY one.
What I'd love to know is if the Spurs were ever willing to give Kawhi the super max. That would be telling. If Kawhi wasn't offered it, I get the LA move. If Kawhi didn't care about the Supermax it will expose the whole supermax deal.
So wait, Kawhi ran from NY and had to be chased down by Pop in San Diego? I don't get how this was the plan all along when the same reputable guys reporting the San Diego meet were reporting the NY one.
nah he will be better than Clarkson. Easily.
Kid was best player at combine.
Then was one of the best in Summer League
Then was one of the best rookies in a strong class.
No sane Laker fan should choose Ingram/Kuz over a KL/Lebron pairing (PG is less desirable tbh) ... but As i told deeps if we end up just watching the kids grow another year I am chill with that tbh.
Lonzo has some good traits but he is the most shaky of our prospects heck, I even like Josh hart.
Kuz is 22, he should have been one of the best at combine, summer league, put up big numbers on a team that couldn't defend, etc....
I'm with you, nice player with Robert Horry potential. But i'd rather the Spurs pass and get another swing at a lottery pick tbh.
A lot of guys can put up numbers on a bad team. Lakers were a bad team. I can't think the Spurs are much interested in what LA has. Maybe LA can trade some of those players for pieces the Spurs would want. Who knows? But I doubt the Spurs trade Kawhi anytime soon.
Not saying what spurs should do (outside of insisting on Tatum)
But I do find it funny that the world class development Spur fan talks about with say picks 12 and 13 couldnt do similar benefits to KUz/Ingram or even Lonzo.
Leaving Lvar out of it isnt what Lonzo needs more than anything is Chip to fix his shot and Pop to put a foot in his ass?
Kawhi usually spends the off-season in San Diego and that is where they met last year as well. A lot of the reports seem like speculation because they constantly contradict themselves. Also has anyone other than ESPN reported it as LA or bust? I don't trust ESPN's motive, they're the ones that have pushed the Kawhi to LA narrative the hardest.
I don't think the Spurs like what either the Clippers or the Lakers have to offer. Sure you want assets, but if Kawhi walks, the Spurs at least have cap space to use as bait to get more first round picks in the future. Trading for players you don't like makes little to no sense. Plus, it also stops the Lakers from building a super team. Lots of ways this could get handled, but I'm guessing a Lakers trade is on the bottom of the list and I'm sure Pop is telling them just that.
Is Ingram worth $25 to $30 million a year? Because that's what he's going to cost in two years. What's the point of renting a B-level prospect and developing him for two years only to get stuck either maxing him or letting him walk? I feel the same about Jaylen Brown. If a player like that is a throw in who can complement a real star like Tatum that's a different beast. Then you do have to pay to build a winning team. But to get in cap over B level talent and you're still a lottery team? No dice, it's not any better than just losing Kawhi for nothing.
You can't leave Lavar out of the equation. If he wasn't there I'd love the chance to add Lonzo Ball but it's a package deal and Lavar is pure cancer like this team hasn't seen since the days of Rodman throwing WCF games.
Not sure. he is worth that. So far I say no. I think he could break out this year but if we go superfriends it probably wont be with us even if he stays. Besides his build my only concern with Ingram he has played better with the ball in his hands cuz he is actually a good play-maker. but to be worth that he would need to be able to play on and off ball.
Not sure why he must get $25-$30 million. if he proves worth that, sure. I would have never paid that to Porter, Parsons etc. at least Ingram can play defense and still has upside.
And I still dont get letting KL walk for nothing even two years or Jaylen/Ingram is better than nada ...you lose me there. Assets can be flipped. Jaylen and Ingram still have value just not KL value, I get that part.
BTW so far on NBA stage Jaylen has been better than Ingram ... I freely admit that.
I just think in two years Ingram will be better and that eCF showing near the end was disappointing.
One thing I do like about Jaylen kid is uber smart. Not saying Ingram is dumb, but I can see Jaylen doing well as just a normal college student heading to the workforce. I can't lie ... I like that about him.
You know what, Hitler wasn't too bad of a guy if you left the Holocaust out of the equation.
Lonzo is already damaged goods. Kawhi's favorite doctors walked Lonzo right back on the court, leading a 20 year old to get freaking PRP injections.
He missed half a year and is already getting treatments like a 35 year old Kobe.
Those are real injuries with real therapeutic treatments, not the fake Kawhi has to stay in New York to let some vampire stooge foam roll his quad for 10 minutes 3 times a week.
Market value for that level of prospect coming off a rookie deal is a 25% max deal. The cap for 2019-20 is estimated at $108 million, so the cap for 2020-21 when Ingram/Brown would be due their payday would be somewhere from $108 million to maybe $116 million. So a 25% max deal starts at somewhere from $27 million to $29 million. I'm not paying that kind of money for B level prospects unless I have an A-level player like Tatum who is going to be leading me into deep playoff runs.
Because why do you want to waste two years developing a player you're not going to want to retain? I want an A-level talent or a really high pick with someone the Spurs love still available, so the Lakers can use Ingram/Ball/Kuzma's value to get that in a three way deal if they want Kawhi. Then one of Ingram or Kuzma could be a throw in.And I still dont get let timng him walk for nothing even two years or Jaylen/Ingram is better than nada ...you lose me there. Assets can be flipped. Kjaylen and Ingram still have value just not KL value, I get that part.
If 25-30 is really market value and we don't think he's worth it then trade him because of thsts really market value plenty of teams will pay it and give up assets. A couple side notes: I do think he has a real chance to be worth that. He's not there now but, the only two young prospects that we've been discussing that I like better are Tatum and Jackson. Also, if I could get Ingram and Ball +25 and send ball to Phoenix for Jackson is consider that at least as good as a Boston package that only featured Tatum.
that part of what you are saying makes sense.
And I would say I dont see either as A level by that definition more B (jaylen) or maybe B+ (ingram) but we dont know that for sure yet on either.
As much as i like Tatum he to me is more A- than a A liek simmons or an A+ like durant/Unibrow was coming out of college.
I like Kuzmas game and body but seeing his spat with Lonzo and his love for the spotlight, not sure if Spurs would consider him over players they feel fit their character model.
If SA is going to get Ingram and send Kawhi to LA they have to get MEM involved and get that #4 pick.
I’m hoping it’s PHX or PHI though since BOS doesn’t seem ready to make a legit deal.
reminds me of some of the terrible spurs teams of the past. i remember that when i was in grade school, the spurs had a terrible team with willie anderson on it. he was averaging almost 24.0 ppg and everyone thought he had all-star potential. it turns out he was just a solid role player.
exactly. the only way spurs should even consider sending leonard to LA is if they get a third team involved and can get back a lottery pick.
This is precisely why I wanted no parts of Lonzo Ball. After they drafted him anyway, I was forced to endure torture from you farmers downstairs ever since
I think that is best for all involved.
I think Lonzo has value still but obviously his dad dampens it.
No matter if he stay or goes if Lebron and or KL or even PG goes to LAkers Zo immediately eats at the spotlight on Ball.
Kuzma was already doing that anyways.
Only laker fans and objective Spurfans will get how much Lakernation loves Kuz. yes we chanted Luke and he was only a role player but Kuz is "hollywood" and never seems nervous.
I would say of the three young prospects: true hoopers prefer Ingram. Those that love pacing pace and "hype" prefer Lonzo. But most of the fans especially casuals and the famales actually would prefer we keep Kuz.
Kuz is no Manu and probably never will be ... but Kuz has that type of love building in SOCAL. I saw the same for Manu when I lived in SA. Tony had a lot of female fans too but Manu probably had the most Pink jerseys that I saw when lived in SA ...
IF kuz stays it will be the same way ...
Kry has turned into a Cancer, just get rid of him and move on. I'd send him to the clippers just to give an FU to the Lakers.
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