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    I just don't see how you give 200+ million dollars to a guy who's spent the better part of the last year ting on his teammates, the fans, and the organization.

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    Bingo! And if you are Boston or Philly, do you want to see Leonard in the formation of a new Laker super team, or even a much improved Cav team with Leonard? It behooves both teams to keep Leonard away from the Lakers or Cavs. And if you are Boston or Philly, you put Leonard on Bron if he stays in Cleveland, and then on Durant in the Finals.
    Which makes the Clippers a lot more likely. Leaving Clippers for the Lakers and leaving money on the table is probably something Kawhi camp would not do since it at least got them at his preferred destination. He needs some pr damage control and I think quietly signing to the team that gave assets for him would do wonders for him.

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    How many more lingering injuries is he going to have? I'd wait, a good offer will come in time and move him as opposed to reconciling and paying the supermax.

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    No kidding. It's like someone acting like they are capable of being the executive chef of a 4-star restaurant because they spent 6 months bagging groceries at HEB.
    "Hi, I'm the NBA agent department at HEB!"

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    I just don't see how you give 200+ million dollars to a guy who's spent the better part of the last year ting on his teammates, the fans, and the organization.
    Yep. And Uncle Dennis just cost his nephew $80 mil.

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    Up until last season Leonard was content to play in SA and spend his offseason in SoCal. What changed? Why this need to play in LA? Yes, representation. Still, is it worth giving up the supermax? It's strange.
    My conspiracy theory is that he does indeed have a degenerative condition that could ultimately cut his career short and he needs to find the way to get the most money in the shortest time. The Spurs aren't going to give the supermax because they have their initial diagnosis in mind so Kawhi has to go where the supermax is a potential or at least able to be offset by endorsements.

    It's a stupid theory, but there haven't been a whole lot of smart moves since Elfus was fired.

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    Kawhi still can’t wipe his own ass - Daboom where the you at?

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    The Spurs are smart to wait it out and continue to work towards a reconciliation. They have until October 16 to offer the Super max deal. Spurs are in no hurry. Time is on Spurs side. By Oct 16 both the Lakers and Clippers will have filled out their rosters with free agents and won't have any cap space to sign him outright after next season. With his preferred destinations off the table, his only other options are to take the Spurs offer or get traded somewhere other than LA. I've always felt that the Spurs would keep Leonard. I strongly believe this is all just an effort by his representatives to create leverage. It may blow up in their face.

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    Pretty much. But if you're the Spurs do you commit $200 mil to a guy who effectively sat out a season rather than play for you? Maybe Pop circa 2018 is a forgiving softie, but how about the rest of the front office and the ownership group?
    So long as I have relative confidence in his health not derailing his career during the life of the contract, I do. He's the hardest thing on all of professional sports to find: An NBA superstar. There's less than 10 at any given time (many of which now congregate) and if you're even going to think of competing for championships, your team has to start with at least one of them.

    Get him signed and worse case scenario, it doesn't work out and both sides can work together on a trade a year from now. He gets his money, they get a max return.

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    So are we done with the possibility this is a ploy for the supermax or does that idea still have legs?

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    Lou Williams 31 years old, destined to be a good player on a bad team, or a bench player. Harris is 25 and still has the potential with good coaching to be a top 10 player.
    Harris is dumb. He has no basketball iq. I've watched a lot of magic games. Every team he plays for loses. I rather galli and his contract

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    So are we done with the possibility this is a ploy for the supermax or does that idea still have legs?
    They may still be wanting it (and with no trade clause as mentioned), but I don't think Pop is anywhere near considering it after all this.

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    Up until last season Leonard was content to play in SA and spend his offseason in SoCal. What changed? Why this need to play in LA? Yes, representation. Still, is it worth giving up the supermax? It's strange.

    • Mills and Gasol contracts
    • BP3 and Laughverne replacing two rotation players in Simmons and Dedmon
    • destroying the cap for the next three years eating into Kawhi's prime
    • resting key players in meaningful games against elite compe ion because Pop is afraid to show his hand and he wants to prove to the networks who's running the show.
    • Pop lauding his opponents to death with poor jokes and childish behavior every time he gets thoroughly out coached.


    Other than that, not much.

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    If the team we trade Leonard to (other than the Lakers), can they trade Leonard to the Lakers at the trade deadline and recoup part of their trade investment? And would the Lakers then be able to resign him at a higher contract?

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    If the team we trade Leonard to (other than the Lakers), can they trade Leonard to the Lakers at the trade deadline and recoup part of their trade investment? And would the Lakers then be able to resign him at a higher contract?
    Yes he could be traded again but no supermax.

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    • Mills and Gasol contracts
    • BP3 and Laughverne replacing two rotation players in Simmons and Dedmon
    • destroying the cap for the next three years eating into Kawhi's prime
    • resting key players in meaningful games against elite compe ion because Pop is afraid to show his hand and he wants to prove to the networks who's running the show.
    • Pop lauding his opponents to death with poor jokes and childish behavior every time he gets thoroughly out coached.


    Other than that, not much.
    Players generally are cool with players getting $$$. We lost Simmons but got gay and Chris Paul's niece? Pop had to bloviate because kawhi isn't charismatic enough to meet demand for TV hits. Oh an I'm sure kawhi has the fans and tv execs in mind when he decided to rest the whole God dang season

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    Yes he could be traded again but no supermax.
    Selling point to Boston, Philly, Phoenix, Sact. I don't see Jerry West trading him to a cross town rival.

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    Harris is dumb. He has no basketball iq. I've watched a lot of magic games. Every team he plays for loses. I rather galli and his contract
    me too, Gallo is just a better basketball player

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    Ainge will low ball and doesn't have much incentive to move Tatum or Brown. I'm not interested in anything Philly has outside of the 10th pick.
    You're looking at this as two separate situations. It isn't. It's interwoven.

    It's like poker. You can win on a bluff. All RC has to do is CONVINCE Boston that Philly is getting him.

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    My conspiracy theory is that he does indeed have a degenerative condition that could ultimately cut his career short and he needs to find the way to get the most money in the shortest time. The Spurs aren't going to give the supermax because they have their initial diagnosis in mind so Kawhi has to go where the supermax is a potential or at least able to be offset by endorsements.

    It's a stupid theory, but there haven't been a whole lot of smart moves since Elfus was fired.
    The ability to offer the supermax isn't transferable. The Spurs are the only team that can offer it. They couldn't trade the right to offer the supermax if they wanted to.

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    Selling point to Boston, Philly, Phoenix, Sact. I don't see Jerry West trading him to a cross town rival.
    I don't see Boston or Philly flipping him, either.

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    Who would buy Leonard house he is building in sa after all this

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    Players generally are cool with players getting $$$. We lost Simmons but got gay and Chris Paul's niece? Pop had to bloviate because kawhi isn't charismatic enough to meet demand for TV hits. Oh an I'm sure kawhi has the fans and tv execs in mind when he decided to rest the whole God dang season
    Rudy Gay is only here because he was coming off a career threatening injury.

    Players are cool with other players making money so long as they stay a contender. If you were in a dead end job with low pay and minimal chance for advancement but were offered a better job with roughly the same pay but with more flexibility and many chances of advancement, would you stay in your dead end job?

    Pop coaches like he doesn't give a half the time. You don't that at ude eventually rubs off onto the players?

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    The ability to offer the supermax isn't transferable. The Spurs are the only team that can offer it. They couldn't trade the right to offer the supermax if they wanted to.
    That's what I thought but wasn't sure. Since he isn't getting the supermax from the Spurs, it's now figuring out the best salary+endorsement formula.

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    Rudy Gay is only here because he was coming off a career threatening injury.

    Players are cool with other players making money so long as they stay a contender. If you were in a dead end job with low pay and minimal chance for advancement but were offered a better job with roughly the same pay but with more flexibility and many chances of advancement, would you stay in your dead end job?

    Pop coaches like he doesn't give a anymore. You don't that at ude eventually rubs off onto the players?
    I love it when posters project their biases on to NBA players.

    Why of course these multimillionaire elite athletes would think just like I do!

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