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    We didn't have him last year and the ball didn't move... Matter of fact, Kawhi was there for the beautiful game... LMA wasn't... Then LMA had the team for himself last year, and the ball still didn't move... I see a common theme here...
    Hey...update. The Spurs aren't going to change their offensive game plan when they expect Kawhi back the entire season.

    Come on man. You've gone 100% pathetic, and are entering the scrotum holder level.

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    How about Pop apologize for the public comments questioning his injury and repair the relationship. Our best option is to bring him back. That should be priority number 1 so you continue to build that trust back for as long as you can even if he still walks.
    The season just ended a month ago. He is 100%.

    If that doesn't tell you a you need to know, then you're a homer. There is zero excuse that he wasn't on the court at he end of last season. Zero.

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    You can’t answer my questions and that’s my entire point.
    Like you didn't answer my questions.

    You’re talking in circles going at people for going at Kawhi..
    Nah...In fact, I'm having a good time and laughing about some reactions here.

    Can't remember the nick but one guy replied to me "what's about loyalty? what's about to be loyal to the team that developed him?"

    But he didn't have any issue with LMA leaving Blazers. And he would love to have on his team a guy like LeBron that it's likely he would leave Cavs...twice. Who knows but this sounds contradictory.

    Or the fan that was talking about Kawhi's group making decisions for him but loved Tim's group because they convinced him to stay...

    And the guy here so worried about how the media criticized Pop/RC/Spurs these days when he spent a whole season criticizing Pau/Mills contracts or Pop's coaching in last years.

    "Pop couldn't solve Doc's double-high screen issue...Pop went to an injured Parker when Mills was having the best playoffs of his career in 2015...Spurs were outplayed and out-rebounded because Pop refused to play LMA more minutes against OKC bigs and Kawhi/Green vs KD/Russ..." "Parker looked so washed and Pop forgot White"...

    People hate that a player leaves the Spurs after the team denies a supermax deal but love when other players leave their teams. All days fans make threads here to criticize PATFO but hate the media criticizing them...Again, ambiguous and contradictory.

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    This is 50x worse than what Durant pulled and others (George and Kyrie). At least in all their cases, they didn’t sit out a season. Sets horrible precedent if the league doesn’t take action here. A big fine should do it or if there was collusion / tampering, even worse.

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    the fact is that the rat and his group have done a lot of damage by filtering out that they want to leave and minimizing the chances of getting something good. In this situation you have to be calm and not rush, cleveland made the ridiculous by accepting a stupid deal.


    the rat has betrayed his teammates, the organization, popovich, Rc and the fans. Now we see his real face, this has nothing to do with LMA. It is not a situation that a player simply asks for a trade. he quitting on the team, they paid him and he did not want to play, without ethics, without professionalism. His teammates do not believe him, they implored him to play, he disappeared in the playoffs, a few days after the elimination in LA watching baseball but he could not be with his team.


    A month ago he told Danny Green that he wanted to stay on the team, more lies. before meeting face to face with Popovich, his group filters the press that wants to go hurting the franchise in a trade, there is no honesty, no respect. Surely popovich and rc have made mistakes and they are not perfect but they are honest and they speak privately do not throw to the press to make a destructive situation.


    When he arrived he was not Duncan, he was not Kobe, he was not Lebron, he was a simple rol player and they put him in a position of success. If you have problems, speak it in private and solve it.


    It is unacceptable what he has done and his group, lack of class, respect and memory.

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    The season just ended a month ago. He is 100%.

    If that doesn't tell you a you need to know, then you're a homer. There is zero excuse that he wasn't on the court at he end of last season. Zero.
    Doesn't change the fact that he is still one of the best players in the world. Sign him and you can always trade him later if it doesn't work out. Look at Blake Griffin as an example and Kawhi is a way better player. Pop needs to put his ego aside even if Kawhi is in the wrong here.

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    Doesn't change the fact that he is still one of the best players in the world. Sign him and you can always trade him later if it doesn't work out. Look at Blake Griffin as an example and Kawhi is a way better player. Pop needs to put his ego aside even if Kawhi is in the wrong here.
    Can't sign him if he doesn't want to sign.

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    Love this pic from an article at theringer.com, kind of sums up this whole nightmare:

    https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6...rs-nba-reality

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    Love this pic from an article at theringer.com, kind of sums up this whole nightmare:

    https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6...rs-nba-reality
    That article feels like when the AI’s fight back in Westworld

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    Two days ahead of the NBA Draft, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich finally got a meeting with disgruntled star forward Kawhi Leonard in Southern California, hoping to open a line of communication that will lead to Leonard backing off the trade demand he lodged with the team last week. That drama figures to overshadow Thursday’s draft. But executives around the league say it’s near impossible that the Spurs and Leonard can work out their differences in time for the draft, which would leave San Antonio — which owns the No. 18 pick — in limbo as the team makes its selection.Ideally, the Spurs would have a clear view on Leonard’s future so that they could acquire more picks in this draft


    That complication is going to make trade talks extremely difficult for the Spurs before Thursday’s draft. “They are not going to want to rush something like that,” one general manager told Sporting News. “The teams they’re dealing with are looking at too much uncertainty, and that’s got to drive down the price they’re willing to pay. The Spurs will have a hard time getting fair value for him, but you’d rather get quarters on the dollar than pennies on the dollar.”


    Additionally, some of the trade scenarios that have been floated for Leonard, both executives noted, have been too generous to the Spurs. “No one is going to make an even trade here,” the general manager said. “If San Antonio has to do this, they’re dealing from a position of weakness. The only thing they will be able to do is not be too weak here.”
    http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news...s1cddxvf0345ax

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    ^then don't trade him.

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    If I was Pop and RC I would tell them were not trading you to the Flakers but we will trade you to Clippers, Philly, Boston. If you don’t make it known to them that you are willing to be traded there and will stay well we won’t trade you.

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    ^then don't trade him.
    The argument is that his trade value gets weaker as you move into next season to the point that he has no value and walks for nothing. The only way to get value is to sign him to another contract, wait a year, and then trade him. But by then, his salary will be so big, it will also make him harder to trade.

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    the fact is that the rat and his group have done a lot of damage by filtering out that they want to leave and minimizing the chances of getting something good. In this situation you have to be calm and not rush, cleveland made the ridiculous by accepting a stupid deal.


    the rat has betrayed his teammates, the organization, popovich, Rc and the fans. Now we see his real face, this has nothing to do with LMA. It is not a situation that a player simply asks for a trade. he quitting on the team, they paid him and he did not want to play, without ethics, without professionalism. His teammates do not believe him, they implored him to play, he disappeared in the playoffs, a few days after the elimination in LA watching baseball but he could not be with his team.


    A month ago he told Danny Green that he wanted to stay on the team, more lies. before meeting face to face with Popovich, his group filters the press that wants to go hurting the franchise in a trade, there is no honesty, no respect. Surely popovich and rc have made mistakes and they are not perfect but they are honest and they speak privately do not throw to the press to make a destructive situation.


    When he arrived he was not Duncan, he was not Kobe, he was not Lebron, he was a simple rol player and they put him in a position of success. If you have problems, speak it in private and solve it.


    It is unacceptable what he has done and his group, lack of class, respect and memory.
    Great Post! Agreed! Ungrateful POS!

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    Like you didn't answer my questions.


    Nah...In fact, I'm having a good time and laughing about some reactions here.

    Can't remember the nick but one guy replied to me "what's about loyalty? what's about to be loyal to the team that developed him?"

    But he didn't have any issue with LMA leaving Blazers. And he would love to have on his team a guy like LeBron that it's likely he would leave Cavs...twice. Who knows but this sounds contradictory.

    Or the fan that was talking about Kawhi's group making decisions for him but loved Tim's group because they convinced him to stay...

    And the guy here so worried about how the media criticized Pop/RC/Spurs these days when he spent a whole season criticizing Pau/Mills contracts or Pop's coaching in last years.

    "Pop couldn't solve Doc's double-high screen issue...Pop went to an injured Parker when Mills was having the best playoffs of his career in 2015...Spurs were outplayed and out-rebounded because Pop refused to play LMA more minutes against OKC bigs and Kawhi/Green vs KD/Russ..." "Parker looked so washed and Pop forgot White"...

    People hate that a player leaves the Spurs after the team denies a supermax deal but love when other players leave their teams. All days fans make threads here to criticize PATFO but hate the media criticizing them...Again, ambiguous and contradictory.
    Seriously what the are you talking about? I told you tell me the injury and give me proof that injury can keep a player out as long as Kawhi.

    You blabber about I didn’t even ask you..hence talking around in circles. Plus you asked me a question? So you answers my question with another question? Again you’re talking in circles

    Take Kawhis out your mouth and whipe off the mess you’ve made and proceed...

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    The argument is that his trade value gets weaker as you move into next season to the point that he has no value and walks for nothing. The only way to get value is to sign him to another contract, wait a year, and then trade him. But by then, his salary will be so big, it will also make him harder to trade.
    His value is already extremely low now. You wait out free agency to see what LeBron and PG do.

    if they sign with the Lakers > LA doesn't have capspace for Kawhi next summer unless he takes a MASSIVE paycut > teams aren't scared off and you get better offers
    Lakers get neither Bron or PG > They are going to be desperate to land a superstar and they'll likely up their proposal for Kawhi

    If you get an offer with a top 5 pick in tonight's draft, you do it. But if you don't, then you better ing wait out Free Agency.

    Sadly, I think the front office will cave and will probably end up shipping him off close to July 1st for a terrible deal. I don't think they have the stomach to wait this out, in fact I'm 99% confident they don't.

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    Damn Coach throwing bombs on YG

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    His value is already extremely low now. You wait out free agency to see what LeBron and PG do.

    if they sign with the Lakers > LA doesn't have capspace for Kawhi next summer unless he takes a MASSIVE paycut > teams aren't scared off and you get better offers
    Lakers get neither Bron or PG > They are going to be desperate to land a superstar and they'll likely up their proposal for Kawhi

    If you get an offer with a top 5 pick in tonight's draft, you do it. But if you don't, then you better ing wait out Free Agency.

    Sadly, I think the front office will cave and will probably end up shipping him off close to July 1st for a terrible deal. I don't think they have the stomach to wait this out, in fact I'm 99% confident they don't.
    I’d take top 8, maybe even higher. There’s 10-12 guys that I put a decent amount above the rest

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    His value is already extremely low now. You wait out free agency to see what LeBron and PG do.

    if they sign with the Lakers > LA doesn't have capspace for Kawhi next summer unless he takes a MASSIVE paycut > teams aren't scared off and you get better offers
    Lakers get neither Bron or PG > They are going to be desperate to land a superstar and they'll likely up their proposal for Kawhi

    If you get an offer with a top 5 pick in tonight's draft, you do it. But if you don't, then you better ing wait out Free Agency.

    Sadly, I think the front office will cave and will probably end up shipping him off close to July 1st for a terrible deal. I don't think they have the stomach to wait this out, in fact I'm 99% confident they don't.
    True, but the closer you get to the deadline, the more teams will be willing to wait until the offseason to sign him as a free agent. If he passes on the max, teams can get him cheaper if he is a free agent. He would be more expensive to trade. Trading him next year would help Kawhi get a few million back in his pocket, but him walking as a free agent benefits the team that signs him because they can get him at a cheaper price. But I agree that if LeBron and PG sign with the Lakers and they don't get rid of Deng, then they won't have money to sign Kawhi and he's stuck with the Clippers or the Kings if he wants to live in California.

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    He ain't going anywhere.

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    True, but the closer you get to the deadline, the more teams will be willing to wait until the offseason to sign him as a free agent. If he passes on the max, teams can get him cheaper if he is a free agent. He would be more expensive to trade. Trading him next year would help Kawhi get a few million back in his pocket, but him walking as a free agent benefits the team that signs him because they can get him at a cheaper price. But I agree that if LeBron and PG sign with the Lakers and they don't get rid of Deng, then they won't have money to sign Kawhi and he's stuck with the Clippers or the Kings if he wants to live in California.
    Couple of different items:
    -He won't pass up the max, I doubt it's been offered
    -Correct me i'm wrong but LA needs to shed Deng's contract to sign PG and Bron to max contracts this year. Either by trade or by stretching. Not a 100% sure though.

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    Couple of different items:
    -He won't pass up the max, I doubt it's been offered
    -Correct me i'm wrong but LA needs to shed Deng's contract to sign PG and Bron to max contracts this year. Either by trade or by stretching. Not a 100% sure though.
    Not sure they have to get rid of Deng to sign PG and Bron, but if they trade for Kawhi, they definitely do.

    I have a feeling Pop will not help Lakers. Will consider dealing with Clippers. Otherwise, he might hold Kawhi's feet to the fire and hold out til trade deadline and I'm fine with that

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    His value is already extremely low now. You wait out free agency to see what LeBron and PG do.

    if they sign with the Lakers > LA doesn't have capspace for Kawhi next summer unless he takes a MASSIVE paycut > teams aren't scared off and you get better offers
    Lakers get neither Bron or PG > They are going to be desperate to land a superstar and they'll likely up their proposal for Kawhi

    If you get an offer with a top 5 pick in tonight's draft, you do it. But if you don't, then you better ing wait out Free Agency.

    Sadly, I think the front office will cave and will probably end up shipping him off close to July 1st for a terrible deal. I don't think they have the stomach to wait this out, in fact I'm 99% confident they don't.
    Excellent points. Totally agree with strategy, and that Spurs will rush into early panic trade. Love idea of letting LA load up on Bron and George which minimizes them as a team Kawhi can go. Would love a top 5 trade tonight but its not happening.

    You got the POTD

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    His value is already extremely low now. You wait out free agency to see what LeBron and PG do.

    if they sign with the Lakers > LA doesn't have capspace for Kawhi next summer unless he takes a MASSIVE paycut > teams aren't scared off and you get better offers
    Lakers get neither Bron or PG > They are going to be desperate to land a superstar and they'll likely up their proposal for Kawhi

    If you get an offer with a top 5 pick in tonight's draft, you do it. But if you don't, then you better ing wait out Free Agency.

    Sadly, I think the front office will cave and will probably end up shipping him off close to July 1st for a terrible deal. I don't think they have the stomach to wait this out, in fact I'm 99% confident they don't.
    Who do you want in the top 5?

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    The argument is that his trade value gets weaker as you move into next season to the point that he has no value and walks for nothing. The only way to get value is to sign him to another contract, wait a year, and then trade him. But by then, his salary will be so big, it will also make him harder to trade.
    Based on the rumored offers he has no trade value now, so what's the point of giving him away?

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