Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Pavlov]

Based on the rumored offers he has no trade value now, so what's the point of giving him away?

Not sure if I see it getting much better with time and I don't want the Spurs to have to deal with Kawhancer in the season.

[Lostwingman]

Love this pic from an article at theringer.com, kind of sums up this whole nightmare:

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6...rs-nba-reality

Good one here:

But more than anything, teaming up is a survival instinct in response to league environs, in the same way the elite center prospects in this year’s draft are all shooting 3s. To be a contender in the Warriors’ NBA, you need help. And the path LeBron is forging has allowed players to wait less than ever to get what they want.

I forgot my daily " KD" for taking what, a 20% pay cut? To keep the Warriors super team together? Whatever bull that was pales any of the niceties and considerations Tim, Tony, or Manu gave the franchise when arranging contracts. God forbid you mention that though, people still think we paid them in tamales and big red.

I think it still ultimately comes down to how Kawhi's camp re edly handled this. Had this been a series of private conversations that Kawhi wants to bolt to LA and won't extend in SA, I'd be willing to put money on the likelihood that PATFO offer to give him the big money extension and then trade him after finding a 3 or even 4 team deal that'd make it work. Fact is, Spurs aren't in the business of screwing players over. Also man this "they mishandled my injury" . Pop let you sit for all but 9 games this year to see where you were. .

[Extra Stout]

Not sure if I see it getting much better with time and I don't want the Spurs to have to deal with Kawhancer in the season.

What do they have to deal with? When he fails to show up to training camp and/or claims his quad is flaring up, level an indefinite suspension without pay and ban him from all team facilities.

[polandprzem]

Like you didn't answer my questions.


Nah...In fact, I'm having a good time and laughing about some reactions here.

Can't remember the nick but one guy replied to me "what's about loyalty? what's about to be loyal to the team that developed him?"

But he didn't have any issue with LMA leaving Blazers. And he would love to have on his team a guy like LeBron that it's likely he would leave Cavs...twice. Who knows but this sounds contradictory.

Or the fan that was talking about Kawhi's group making decisions for him but loved Tim's group because they convinced him to stay...

And the guy here so worried about how the media criticized Pop/RC/Spurs these days when he spent a whole season criticizing Pau/Mills contracts or Pop's coaching in last years.

"Pop couldn't solve Doc's double-high screen issue...Pop went to an injured Parker when Mills was having the best playoffs of his career in 2015...Spurs were outplayed and out-rebounded because Pop refused to play LMA more minutes against OKC bigs and Kawhi/Green vs KD/Russ..." "Parker looked so washed and Pop forgot White"...

People hate that a player leaves the Spurs after the team denies a supermax deal but love when other players leave their teams. All days fans make threads here to criticize PATFO but hate the media criticizing them...Again, ambiguous and contradictory.

Guys taking paycuts just to have better players around.
If this is about supermax that's bad tbh.

Not that Kawhi does not deserve if healthy but damn we got frockin Warriors with players not having max contracts

[baseline bum]

-Correct me i'm wrong but LA needs to shed Deng's contract to sign PG and Bron to max contracts this year. Either by trade or by stretching. Not a 100% sure though.

They could also get there by salary dumping Ball or Ingram.

[Pavlov]

What do they have to deal with? When he fails to show up to training camp and/or claims his quad is flaring up, level an indefinite suspension without pay and ban him from all team facilities.

Exactly what I wouldn't want to happen. That would do nothing to improve the Spurs' trade position with other teams. Equal value is never going to happen. Get it over with.

[NASpurs]

[MoSpur02]

Per Woj, "Spurs are willing listeners on Leonard trade proposals, but haven't been proactive chasing down offers."

[MoSpur02]

LOL. I didn't know how to paste his tweet.

[RD2191]

LOL. I didn't know how to paste his tweet.

Paste deez nuts on yo face, bum. Jk

[Budkin]

LOL. I didn't know how to paste his tweet.

[ tweet ] TWEET_ID [ /tweet ] (obviously remove the spaces)

you can get the TWEET_ID from the end of the url if you go to the tweet directly.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1009856180997574657

[RD2191]

Tf Is PATFO doing? It's obvious Kawhi doesn't want to be here.

[BackHome]

Lol Pop and RC blocked Magic’s number

[Extra Stout]

Exactly what I wouldn't want to happen. That would do nothing to improve the Spurs' trade position with other teams. Equal value is never going to happen. Get it over with.

What is the point of trading for 2 cents on the dollar right now? Worst-case, the Spurs blow it up, trade LMA, go 15-67 this year, get a high lottery pick, go 15-67 next year, and get another high lottery pick.

What’s the alternative? Trade Leonard for something like Love and the #8? Watch the Spurs scrap to make the playoffs again only to get blasted by Houston or Golden State?

A million things could happen between now and next summer. There is a thing called posturing. Sure, Kawhi’s people might say he’ll only sign in LA, but gee, how convenient that they pull this crap right at the moment the Lakers have $61 million in cap space and a chance to sign LeBron AND Paul George. How convenient that they announce Kawhi is 100% right before the draft, when there are mutterings out of LA about whether Kawhi’s tendinopathy is chronic. Call their ing bluff.

I don’t really think the Spurs should entertain keeping Kawhi long-term at this point anyway. He’s proving he can’t be depended on as a franchise player. He can’t lead, and he is easily manipulated by his hangers-on. His previous reputation as a gym rat who just wants to play has been blown to smithereens. At best, he’s a hothouse flower and a second fiddle, unless he’s on a team with preexisting veteran leadership.

Not every team is going to have cap space to sign Kawhi outright next summer. The Spurs still have some leverage. There is no need to panic. This core is not going to win anything regardless.

[Spurs da champs]

Tf Is PATFO doing? It's obvious Kawhi doesn't want to be here.

So it seems, but they're not obligated to trade him to the Fakers. Pop hates then as much as true Spurs fans it seems.

[baseline bum]

Exactly what I wouldn't want to happen. That would do nothing to improve the Spurs' trade position with other teams. Equal value is never going to happen. Get it over with.

No one is expecting equal value. Doesn't mean you just bend over and take it when the team everyone is scared of signing Leonard is in its strongest position of power.

[coachmac87]

Tf Is PATFO doing? It's obvious Kawhi doesn't want to be here.

It’s obvious they’re running a professional franchise...while you’re still wearing your Kawhi fan T-shirt with dry on it from the night before...

[RD2191]

It’s obvious they’re running a professional franchise...while you’re still wearing your Kawhi fan T-shirt with dry on it from the night before...

Keep me out of your gay fantasies bruh.

[RD2191]

So it seems, but they're not obligated to trade him to the Fakers. Pop hates then as much as true Spurs fans it seems.

But they should still be trying to move him imo

[Extra Stout]

One last point I forgot — since the Spurs have nothing more to lose, since one way or the other their le-contending era is over, there is something to be said for making an example of someone who pulls the Leonard has pulled. $100 million is a lot of money to piss away.

[rjv]

this really means nothing. it just says that the spurs will listen to trades but that does not suggest they will act on any of them.

[Pavlov]

What is the point of trading for 2 cents on the dollar right now? Worst-case, the Spurs blow it up, trade LMA, go 15-67 this year, get a high lottery pick, go 15-67 next year, and get another high lottery pick.

What’s the alternative? Trade Leonard for something like Love and the #8? Watch the Spurs scrap to make the playoffs again only to get blasted by Houston or Golden State?

As I said, nothing looks to improve with time. If trading and tanking is the plan, doing so with one or more high picks to add to #18 this year and next year's lottery plus cap space from salary dumps is a start.

Do you have a scenario where the Spurs trade Kawhi and contend for a championship? I'm all ears.

EDIT:

One last point I forgot — since the Spurs have nothing more to lose, since one way or the other their le-contending era is over, there is something to be said for making an example of someone who pulls the Leonard has pulled. $100 million is a lot of money to piss away.

Oh, so there isn't. No need to wait for anything then IMO. Trade for as many picks and expiring deals as possible then dump and tank.

[coachmac87]

Keep me out of your gay fantasies bruh.

Nice way to deflect “ got”

[RD2191]

Nice way to deflect “ got”

What part of keep me out of your gay fantasies did you not understand?

[Pavlov]

No one is expecting equal value. Doesn't mean you just bend over and take it when the team everyone is scared of signing Leonard is in its strongest position of power.

That's why I'm in favor of working with West. He's the most motivated party here.