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    The Spurs need to know where they stand with their franchise player - is this a relationship that is salvageable for the long-term or is all the smoke for real and they need to focus on trading him? They need to know as soon as possible given free agency kicks off soon.

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    Without Kawhi, Pops is the only reason why anyone would want to play for Spurs imo

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    You think Kawh is going to give up over 80 million?? Unless someone is taking a discount La can’t afford 3 max deals
    Yes, baseline bum, I think, covered that. In order to make it work, they had to trick the Spurs into trading Leonard this summer for a deal that included Luol Deng’s contract. Probably Ingram, Kuzma, #25, and Deng.

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    I can tell you right now, LA sports radio is freaking out due to the Spurs' silence.

    Good things come to those who wait.
    Magic isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, either. He probably can't figure out what's up, either.

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    The Spurs need to know where they stand with their franchise player - is this a relationship that is salvageable for the long-term or is all the smoke for real and they need to focus on trading him? They need to know as soon as possible given free agency kicks off soon.
    If you believe your “franchise player” faked an injury and sabotaged your season so he could trick you into trading him to a specific team, don’t you already have your answer?

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    Fultz is the centerpiece if they trade with Philly, never was Simmons. Fultz will be able to shoot some day, otoh Simmons has no room for growth, he's like Rondo, a huge Rondo.

    Fultz Green Covington Saric LMA
    Murray/LW Manu/White Anderson Bertans Gasoft

    Trade away Kawhi + Mills

    I would be hyped by this trade. There's no other team offering a prospect with unlimited ceiling + 2 starters that make the team better.

    For Philly the decision is easy as well, Brown is one PO series loss away from being fired, Philly won't settle for being "ok" and his ass is on the line. Plus Kiwi is the perfect autist to play with huge egos like Embiid and Simmons.

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    No way Pops sending Kawhi to Lakers. I feel he’s talking with Brett to send Kawhi to Philly. Sixers was clearing up sending even hometown boy Bridges to Suns. LeBron/Kawhi for whatever we can get. I hope including Simmons

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    Dumb short horizon moves are made all the time.
    ...around LeBron. He got Cleveland to trade the first overall pick for Kevin Love, the human tater tot.

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    Fultz is the centerpiece if they trade with Philly, never was Simmons. Fultz will be able to shoot some day, otoh Simmons has no room for growth, he's like Rondo, a huge Rondo.

    Fultz Green Covington Saric LMA
    Murray/LW Manu/White Anderson Bertans Gasoft

    Trade away Kawhi + Mills

    I would be hyped by this trade. There's no other team offering a prospect with unlimited ceiling + 2 starters that make the team better.

    For Philly the decision is easy as well, Brown is one PO series loss away from being fired, Philly won't settle for being "ok" and his ass is on the line. Plus Kiwi is the perfect autist to play with huge egos like Embiid and Simmons.
    I'd do that trade. Wasn't sure before. It s up the guard corps, but the team can figure it out. Get Kawhi out of the conference. Let him sign with the Lakers if he wants to, the baby. Retool. Fultz apparently had the yips with his shot and we have the best shot-fixer in the business. , he's the one that gave Kawhi his career.

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    Fultz is the centerpiece if they trade with Philly, never was Simmons. Fultz will be able to shoot some day, otoh Simmons has no room for growth, he's like Rondo, a huge Rondo.

    Fultz Green Covington Saric LMA
    Murray/LW Manu/White Anderson Bertans Gasoft

    Trade away Kawhi + Mills

    I would be hyped by this trade. There's no other team offering a prospect with unlimited ceiling + 2 starters that make the team better.

    For Philly the decision is easy as well, Brown is one PO series loss away from being fired, Philly won't settle for being "ok" and his ass is on the line. Plus Kiwi is the perfect autist to play with huge egos like Embiid and Simmons.
    You're an idiot. Simmons has the highest ceiling of any player on that roster, including Embiid.

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    Magic isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, either. He probably can't figure out what's up, either.
    he was a great player and a solid businessman, but magic is overrated when it comes to his involvement in basketball as a coach or head of operations.

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    I'd do that trade. Wasn't sure before. It s up the guard corps, but the team can figure it out. Get Kawhi out of the conference. Let him sign with the Lakers if he wants to, the baby. Retool. Fultz apparently had the yips with his shot and we have the best shot-fixer in the business. , he's the one that gave Kawhi his career.
    I don't understand why it seemed like they were so down on Fultz. In the games I saw him play he looked pretty impressive. I thought he could have helped the team being played in the playoffs.

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    The Spurs need to know where they stand with their franchise player - is this a relationship that is salvageable for the long-term or is all the smoke for real and they need to focus on trading him? They need to know as soon as possible given free agency kicks off soon.
    agreed but, unfortunately, i think free agency (including any leonard moves) is going to be held hostage by the lebron situation.

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    I don't understand why it seemed like they were so down on Fultz. In the games I saw him play he looked pretty impressive. I thought he could have helped the team being played in the playoffs.
    He probably didn't have enough reps with the team to know the plays or have chemistry.

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    thinking kiwi + sixers core would cickblock boston, spur homers

    simmons is a taller worse shooting rondo and while Embiid is mfer he can't even play b2b

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    thinking kiwi + sixers core would cickblock boston, spur homers

    simmons is a taller worse shooting rondo and while Embiid is mfer he can't even play b2b
    Uh, dumbass much? We're talking if Bron goes there AND Kawhi goes there. Boston is ed if that happens.

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    Simmons is the odd man if Philly is going for LeBron and Kawhi. Fultz/SG/Kawhi/LeBron/Embiid unless you think Simmons play PG or SG? Or coming off the bench?

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    Uh, dumbass much? We're talking if Bron goes there AND Kawhi goes there. Boston is ed if that happens.
    and what is philly going to trade now that lottery is over and they have no more picks? fultzbust and their shooting euro? even PATFO isn't dumb enough to take that

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    If you believe your “franchise player” faked an injury and sabotaged your season so he could trick you into trading him to a specific team, don’t you already have your answer?
    Now that the Spurs have made it clear they aren't participating in creating a Laker superteam, and are dangling some portion of the supermax perhaps things are changing. Regardless, this franchise is worth more with Leonard under contract than without, you're looking at another squeak into the playoffs season without him and does Pop want to coach a rebuild situation or does he think he's making progress with putting that relationship back together?

    It's a business. At some point perhaps soon the divorcing Holts are going to sell. This will impact the value of their interest.

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    and what is philly going to trade now that lottery is over and they have no more picks? fultzbust and their shooting euro? even PATFO isn't dumb enough to take that
    Assuming they're gunning for LeBron:

    They have Fultz, Saric, Simmons, Covington, Zhaire Smith, and unprotected 2021 Miami first. Any two of those is better than Boston's dog offer, and gets Ainge off the dime.

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    Assuming they're gunning for LeBron:

    They have Fultz, Saric, Simmons, Covington, Zhaire Smith, and unprotected 2021 Miami first. Any two of those is better than Boston's dog offer, and gets Ainge off the dime.
    Brown is better prospect than any but simmons who probably isn't even on the table. and they have better picks including one next year much better than some mediocre late 1st round useless pick 3 years later that the post-PATFO regime would use to draft another undersized guard

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    I don’t see a path to SA and Kawhi making up. I hope Kawhi signs some extension with SA that way SA can keep him or get more value with an understanding that he will be moved if signed as long as his camp expands their list of teams.

    Waiting until after July 7th other than it killing your own free agency plans is wise because LA may lose a ton of leverage depending on what they do.

    Pressure will mount too. La sold all the fans on the mega summer. They have two stars publicly clamoring for La and if they whiff or muck it up??! Wow.

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    Also I hope SA doesn’t trade Pau unless they have free agents they love. If not, keep your assets and just let him walk with his 6M guaranteed next year. If you can get positive value, then fine, but don’t dump a first unless you can recoup via another or love a free agent.

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    Now that the Spurs have made it clear they aren't participating in creating a Laker superteam, and are dangling some portion of the supermax perhaps things are changing.
    How do you build a franchise around someone you can’t even trust to show up to play? What’s the next scheme the harebrained uncle will dream up?
    How do you do business with someone whose value system is so screwed up that he gives unquestioning loyalty to a two-bit crook who will screw you over again and again at the first chance? LaVar Ball is merely annoying by comparison; he doesn’t hold Lonzo out of games.

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    How do you build a franchise around someone you can’t even trust to show up to play? What’s the next scheme the harebrained uncle will dream up?
    How do you do business with someone whose value system is so screwed up that he gives unquestioning loyalty to a two-bit crook who will screw you over again and again at the first chance? LaVar Ball is merely annoying by comparison; he doesn’t hold Lonzo out of games.
    If he’s paid he has no incentive to act that way. Also if he’s paid SA has total control over trading him and they will get a haul since he can’t walk from the new team

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