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Brown is worlds more overrated than Tatum
I do not buy that Kawhi is leaving because he was offended by pop or Tony. He was called out by his team because he was not really injured by that point, he was protecting himself and his future contract, hoping he could get traded, and knew he if he got injured that would be jeopardized.
This narrative is bull . He wanted to leave already and this is his face-saving excuse. He was going to leave to LA regardless of what transpired; everything points to that.
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No, he didn't. "Dr." Tony Parker was the match that gaslit this situation. The funny part on the outside looking in, word on the streets is he (and Manure) were basically given orders from Pop to put out the narrative that TP not only had the same injury, but it was "100 times" worse. That basically unnecessarily challenged his manhood and pissed him off. I believe Stack5 (former Spur, so he has credibility) put that out on Undisputed IIRC.
You know what? I believe Stack5. Why? Not long afterwards Pop was cynical with any reporter with a mic in his face heard ahim tell them "to check with Kawhi's camp" whenever he asked about his franchise player.
Pop knows he ed up too by evidence of him flying 1,275 miles to San Diego to beg Kiwi to change his mind. From what I'm hearing, he basically heard Pop out (with Uncle Fester next to him ) then flat out told him that he still wants out.
Why you farmers not blaming Pop is beyond me. You guys are sitting on 6 range if not for the arrogance of Pop (I still can't believe he took Jim out leading to a huge offensive rebound by Bosh e...unbelievable, but I digress).
PATFO knows he's gone. Now they sending out their Silver and Black soldiers to protect the Spur brand (which is smart BTW). This tweet rings true:
Bruce Bowen & David Robinson speaking up against Kawhi’s conduct & management is 100% only about protecting the Spurs brand. The Spurs know he is gone & now their loyal soldiers are making sure their fans know that they are to direct all of the blame at the feet of Kawhi
— BJ Metta (@bj_metta) June 23, 2018
Gonna be an interesting time in SATX if Kiwi leaves. If he does, blame Pop and his arrogance, not Kiwi.
EXACTLY!!!
Brown is worlds more overrated than Tatum
Why would that even be an option? Gordon is a Restricted Free agent. Wouldn't he have to sign a new deal to be traded? Gordon to me is like Randle a good piece at the right price. But unless the market is diffrent than almost every other year both guys will get overpaid.
I wonder if there have been more meetings.
Wonder if they offer Supermax on July 1. Wonder if he'll sign it. Wonder if they'll try and demand a no trade clause so they can get their money, then disrupt the team, and when the Spurs try to trade him they veto any non-LA trade. Truthfully, let him go for nothing or scraps before giving Kawhi a no-trade. Don't trust Uncle D armed with that power.
Y'all niccas are delusional (and I find it "cute") outside this board Spurs/Lakers are not true rivals and not "mortal enemies". ..
I know a few of you spur fans live in Cali ...and know Lakerfans dont give two s about the spurs.
There was a minor Kobe stan/dunacan stan rivalry ...and when Lakers played Spurs it was compe ive ...but where is the bad blood?
Kobe actually always praised the Spurs.
Shaq talked about David but always praised Tim ...
phil put the asterisk on 99 ...
But outside of Phil go back to the tape (highlights of the playoff matchups) there is no Horry hip-check, a Rambis clothesline or Sacramento Queens type diss or any scuffles despite these two teams battling heavy from 1998-2008.
For it to be a rivalry or for them to be enemies hate needs to flow on both sides.
Spurs hate the Lakers and Laker fans ...
Lakers dont hate the Spurs ...and unless you lived in the 210 or come here to Spurstalk, Most Lakerfans dont even think about the spurs much. and respect the out of the Organization and Admire tim.
We hate Portland, Utah, sacto and our only true rival are the Celts.
Spurs were never even top 5 of teams i disliked I did not like the rox or Mavs though ... (battled them in the 80's and i was a kid then where i built my sports hate)
It's just amusing watching this thread.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 06-27-2018 at 07:05 AM.
Lakers only true rivals are the other lottery teams for high draft picks.
funny.
Not saying yall shouldn't hate us, I get it. Hate who you want. it's just funny on this side because if I never came here or lived in SA I would have no clue.
Also funny that despite us being a bottom feeder the past 5 years that you still hate us. It's a beautiful thing ... tells me no matter how bad we suck we still have your attention
And though teasing a bit I was genuine with the thoughts there have been no real rivalry moments like the ones I listed.
Great compe ors on BOTH sides Tim, Shaqobe, Manu, Sjax, horry (on bothe teams), fisher etc. .
But no fights. No suspensions. No off court stuff just basketball.
Spurs shut down the Forum and ended the 3peat making Kobe/Fisher cry.
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A couple sweeps on both sides.
It's all ball. Its been very compe ive but far from a rivalry like DUKE/UNC USC/UCLA Yakees/Bosox Lakers/Celts where bad blood is evident.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 06-27-2018 at 07:18 AM.
And btw not saying Spurs are not good or worthy opponents.
Over the past 20 years you have been by far the best/most consistent franchise.
Lakers are the evil empire. You add that to the fact that the Spurs met them consistently in the playoffs through the early 2ks, it's easy to see why Spurs fans hate them.
I've most definitely gotten an entirely different vibe from the NBA subreddit page. And for that matter from the large and obnoxious bunch of lakerfans that live in spurstalk land. Not sure how many of us take up residence in your world, tbh.
Spurs are also the only organization that owned a better head to head record in regular season against you. Really that's even close as I recall reading.
And we've been a main rival for way longer than every other one of those teams you mentioned. Even the Celtics rivalry was only about 20 years of true battles.
Point is, don't tell me Chris Webber and Mike Bibby made Sactown a bigger rival when you bested them for a few years, each time. Can't say that about Spur.
Last edited by offset formation; 06-27-2018 at 08:09 AM.
Lakers are the parasites of the NBA. For years they have lived off of luring players from other teams, generally by illegal collusion, rather than demonstrating any front office a en in drafting a team or building a team with role players. Boston on the other hand is a competent franchise with good management. Same with GS, minus durbeta. If the NBA had a structure like the NFL the Lakers would be perennial bottom dwellers given their front office talent. That’s why many don’t like or respect the Lakers.
And the current cba makes it harder for the Lakers to be the old Lakers, with the salary caps and luxury tax.
Philly can theoretically clear out space to sign LeBron then move Covington, Fultz, Saric, Miami's 2021 pick and Parsecniks for Kawhi and Mills.
Simmons, Kawhi, LeBron, Illyasova?, Embiid
with Mills, Beli, and whomever to fill out the bench could be the 18-19 76ers roster.
Boston isn't giving up Tatum, I don't see it, but the might give up the stable on all of their previously acquired first rounders in a deal. If Boston gets into a bidding war, then Tatum's available may change but I could see a-
Hayward, Brown, 2019 Kings Pick (probably top five), 2019 Memphis Pick (probably ends up being in the 10-14 range) and the lottery protected 2019 Clippers (same protections in 2020 but unlikely to actually convey) for Kawhi and Gasol.
That is an all-star caliber player, along with a young starter with high upside, and probably a top 5 and 14 pick in next year's draft that is a great haul, the Spurs can stay good for at least a couple of seasons while also being able to integrate two lottery picks into the system, on top of Brown and Murray.
Maybe PG has a good relationship with Westbrook but PG ln the Lakers has more potential. People forget how young and good Ingram, Kuzma, and Lonzo have looked so far. Plus Brook Lopez, Josh Hart, and possibly Julius Randle is nothing to sneeze at either. They have room for one more guy too. Possibly Kemba, Cousins, or Lebron.
Oladipo was not considered an "asset" at the time of the trade, but rather expendable. Sure, he won MIP, but can he prove he didn't just catch lightning in a bottle? Can he sustain and build upon his play from last year? Time will tell.
But OKC lost Oladipo and Sabonis who both turned out to be very good players, Oladipo might be the best SG in the east.
Bottom line Pop and the Spurs have all the leverage. Leonard is under contract and can be traded to any team the Spurs wish. If Spurs trade him it’s no skin off their nose if he signs with that team or not. Doubt Pop is going to do Leonard any favor. Pop’s playing nice now but I’m sure he’s majorly pissed at the way Leonard and his “group” have played this es game. Pop’s Ex military and these guys are 4+ chicken cowards.
The FO did Kawhi wrong... Bottom line... Don't get mad at his reaction... Misdiagnosis... Mad at seeking second opinion... Public shade throwing and implying he is injured simply so he can play unhealthy to carry the old guys to the playoffs? Nah fam... U don't have the moral high ground... We KNOW what the FO has done wrong... Everything wrong said about Kawhi has been speculation... He isn't out here o Twitter throwing shade
They were pretty ty when they moved them though, weren't they?
If the Spurs were to acquire the assets you describe, I would be exstatic. I don't see us making that haul.
Pop should be on his knees begging. He knows he ed up with the Kawhi situation.
Didn't he get his doctors back in July before the season, and he came back to play under his own doctors watch?
More Young than ty. I liked Sabonis better than Oladipo at that time.
Don't interrupt the butt hurt with a deluge of facts. 2k5 and YNGI have both not only drunk the kool-aid, they're now mixing and distributing it.
So everything wrong with Kawhi is speculation and the Spurs/FO are at 100% fault....
To think both sides don't share some blame in this is absolutely insane. If Kawhi was unhappy here, he would have requested a trade anywhere and then leave when he's a FA. His camp said LA is his preffered destination. You think after Parker said what he said, Kawhi woke up that next morning and told his Uncle , he wants to be a Laker because people are saying stuff about him?
Don't be that gullible man
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