Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[daslicer]

I doubt it.

Spurs are getting offered role players for Kawhi. They would get the same type of role players in FA.

[objective]

There are other players on the team to think about. You want to be selfish and have them keep going through these distractions for a full season? And don’t bring up the money they’re making.

I'll give you it to you though, the players can influence the Spurs to trade him

Apparently the other Spurs hating Rodman played a big role in trading him. And giving him exactly what he wanted

So I could picture pressure from LMA, Manu, etc influencing what they do and convincing them of whichever course they take

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs are getting offered role players for Kawhi. They would get the same type of role players in FA.

Kyrie Irving is hardly a role player.

[objective]

Spurs are getting offered role players for Kawhi. They would get the same type of role players in FA.

Exactly. Spurs can get a kuzma. Or a Saric. Nobody that's a real difference maker.

And Kawhi has already killed the Spurs reputation. Trading him won't change that.

[KDKSpurs24]

Spurs are getting offered role players for Kawhi. They would get the same type of role players in FA.

I’m a little higher on them than most I guess. But not gonna get any guys on rookie deals that have a chance of developing. These role players in free agency are most likely at their ceiling. I wonder why most people here aren’t having faith in our development process like they used to.

[KDKSpurs24]

I'll give you it to you though, the players can influence the Spurs to trade him

Apparently the other Spurs hating Rodman played a big role in trading him. And giving him exactly what he wanted

So I could picture pressure from LMA, Manu, etc influencing what they do and convincing them of whichever course they take

That’s mainly what I’m saying. The Spurs players more than likely won’t want to deal with that.

[KDKSpurs24]

Kyrie Irving is hardly a role player.

Unfortunately he could just leave us after the season.

[objective]

If it's true that the Spurs don't want to max Kawhi, then I really can't see them maxing Irving, even it is only the regular Max and not there super max

[cd021]

Nurkic is a FA next Summer and I seriously doubt Portland would trade him for LMA considering he’s 10 years younger. They like Nurkic. But he’s set to be paid a lot of money next Summer, and I don’t want to be the team who pays him.

I think they may let him walk if they can get a stop gap center, he thinks he's worth way more than he actually is.

[MannyIsGod]

If they trade Kawhi to the Lakers, you think there won't be a massive decline in sales and butts in seats? When it comes to business, trading him to LA and watching him win les as the national media crows about and reinforces the narrative that SA doesn't treat players well ... That is the worst thing they can do.

In this day and age, no one has to be a fan of anyone. Every game from every team in every major sport in the world is accessible in an instant. The only thing that keeps most people fans is an emotional connection.

If the Spurs give Kawhi to the fans most hated rival, and without Duncan, soon to be no Ginobili ... That connection will lessen or sever for so many, the attrition so significant, that the finances of the team may not recover for decades.

The Charlotte Hornets were the NBA's most popular home team, sellouts galore. The toast of the league. But when the fans turned on them due to the owner, that was it. It's been 20 years, and they still aren't back. That's what can happen when the fans collectively move on.

You're really going to compare a trade to a team leaving? OK.

[BatManu20]

“Sit on Kobe Bryant and force him to continue to wear a Laker jersey. You do not trade the best player in the world.”

[MannyIsGod]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...ory/510848002/

Indiana saw a drop last year early on when they traded PG. When they were winning, attendance came up. Unless you're Jabari Young, what ultimately matters is the team's performance on the court. Sure, the hornets used to have big stars, traded them, then the team move, and now they continuously suck so OF COURSE no one shows up.

Philly had huge attendance problems during their run. They could afford to do that because it was Philly. The Spurs will never have that luxury. They're never going to go into an extended tank mode. Spurs fans aren't going to give a about Kawhi being gone if the Spurs are still winning. If they just let him walk, and we win 20 games a year, then they're going to care bout Kawhi being gone because the Spurs suck.

[MannyIsGod]

“Sit on Kobe Bryant and force him to continue to wear a Laker jersey. You do not trade the best player in the world.”

“It will take the Lakers year’s to recover from this if they trade Kobe Bryant. If not decades.”







Sound familiar? You do whatever it takes to keep Kawhi, tbh. Don’t re-sign Tony, hold Kawhi’s family hostage, hypnotize him, whatever. You do whatever it takes to keep Kawhi in a Spurs uniform.

LOL at using an 11 year old SAS clip to try and make a valid point. Really?

[objective]

You're really going to compare a trade to a team leaving? OK.

The leaving was incidental. The fans left before the team. Everyone assumed they'd be back with the bobcats. They weren't. They changed the name. Not the same.

Ignore context, that's your call.

[MannyIsGod]

The leaving was incidental. The fans left before the team. Everyone assumed they'd be back with the bobcats. They weren't. They changed the name. Not the same.

Ignore context, that's your call.

How am I the one ignoring context when you're literally disregarding a team leaving? I literally gave you a like for like example of a team trading a star with PG and the fans coming back because the team was compe ive. You want to twist a franchise leaving and coming back as a team as the same thing? OK.

[MannyIsGod]

https://www.whatsthecap.com/nba/value-index/attendance/

Hornets had above average attendance 3 out of 4 years before they left. Tell me again how their trades were the problem?

[objective]

Above Average? That's it?

And the trades were bad, but it was the owner they were mad at.

[objective]

How am I the one ignoring context when you're literally disregarding a team leaving? I literally gave you a like for like example of a team trading a star with PG and the fans coming back because the team was compe ive. You want to twist a franchise leaving and coming back as a team as the same thing? OK.

You give an example of a non contender NOT giving in and trading him to the team he was bullying them to ... And they got back a favorite son who was a Hoosier?

[MannyIsGod]

Above Average? That's it?

And the trades were bad, but it was the owner they were mad at.

lol @ "thats it" .
So now its not the trades? I mean, you should probably make up your mind whether it was the trades or not if your'e going to use them as the crux of your argument.

[MannyIsGod]

You give an example of a non contender NOT giving in and trading him to the team he was bullying them to ... And they got back a favorite son who was a Hoosier?

"favorite son"

You missed the point where attendance was lower with the "favorite son" and everyone thought the Pacers got ripped off. It wans't until it was clear they were winning that the attendance came back up. The people came back because they were WINNING, not because he was a "favorite son". Ultimately that's what matters to a fanbase. Not perceived "balls", not whether or not they traded someone, but whether or not the team is WINNING.

You an see this clearly in league wide attendance. There's a clear coloration with the team's success and the attendance figures. Look at the Philly figures during their tank. The Spurs going through multiple seasons of that are damn likely to increase the pressure on a move. Where's the franchise more valuable, in San Antonio with 12,000 people per game or in Seattle?

[MannyIsGod]

You want another example? Look at the attendance figures I linked above and look at the Raptors. Fans came right back after the Vince trade when the Raptors stated winning again.

[picnroll]

Giving in to Leonard and bending over to the colluding Lakers will just encourage other Spurs down the road to not take the Spurs or their contracts seriously. The contracts won’t be worth the paper they’re written on.

If Leonard goes to the Lakers in any trade this year the only games I’ll go to, and I’ll buy front row seats, is Lakers’ games and I’ll curse s bag Leonard the entire game. I’ll have lost all respect for 5he Spurs.

[objective]

lol @ "thats it" .
So now its not the trades? I mean, you should probably make up your mind whether it was the trades or not if your'e going to use them as the crux of your argument.

Re-read MY post. It was about the owner turning off the fans, and they didn't come back like before with new ownership. If you don't know what the owner did, Google it. The point was that for many fans an emotional connection was lost and the hornets paid the price.

"favorite son"

You missed the point where attendance was lower with the "favorite son" and everyone thought the Pacers got ripped off. It wans't until it was clear they were winning that the attendance came back up. The people came back because they were WINNING, not because he was a "favorite son". Ultimately that's what matters to a fanbase. Not perceived "balls", not whether or not they traded someone, but whether or not the team is WINNING.

You an see this clearly in league wide attendance. There's a clear coloration with the team's success and the attendance figures. Look at the Philly figures during their tank. The Spurs going through multiple seasons of that are damn likely to increase the pressure on a move. Where's the franchise more valuable, in San Antonio with 12,000 people per game or in Seattle?

Who said anything about a Philly style rebuild of intentional badness? A hard rebuild to me is just that: recognizing that it's hard. Not pretending that some okay players you get back are the key to contention and milling about in mediocrity for years on end.

You and I disagree.

[BatManu20]

Lol at using an 11 year old SAS clip to try and make a valid point. Really?

[-21-]

How about this?

Spurs get: Miami's 2021 1st, Orlando's 2019 1st, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Nikola Vucevic
76ers get: Kawhi, Jonathon Simmons
Magic get: Markelle Fultz, Pau Gasol

The Spurs get a couple of good picks and some pieces to stay compe ive with Pop and LMA still around. Philly gets Kawhi and Simmons (who iirc were buddies when they were both in SA). Orlando gets a PG other than DJ Augustin. They do take on Pau's contract but maybe it's a small price to pay for a former 1st pick in Fultz.