"We would have probably 10-peated."
-Spurstalk
I wanted jermaine o'neal more tbh. That would have been sick. Of course o'neal was done by around 2007 as well. Hard to think they would have gotten more les in the end w either Jo or Kidd. I can remember the 2003 le and thinking that summer-wow, this is the start of something great looking at everyone's age being so young. That was the best knowing you had so much great basketball in your future.
Better than Porker ...
Tp back then was a mvp candidate
I remember many fans wanting Jermaine O'Neal that offseason. Despite Kidd being the best free agent available, he wasn't filling in a position of need. Porker had his disappearing act, but he was considered serviceable at that time, and his backup was more than up to the task of bailing him out. However, with Robinson's retirement, there was a massive void to be filled. In the end, Pop went out of his way to recruit Rasho Nesterovic. Not too dissimilar to the Lakers walking away with their prize free agent in Timofey Mozgov.
Spurs really dodged a bullet by not having a s bag at PG during those years....
Who knows, maybe JKidd ends up banging a teammates wife....
After seeing TP wither away under pressure in the Finals that year I was ready for Kidd. Who knows how great we would have been?
You were comparing a 29-year old peak Jason Kidd to a 20-year old Tony Parker? What's funny is that Parker actually held his own and played far less minutes.
2003 Finals:
Kidd: 19.7/7.8/6.2 on 36% shooting (44 MPG)
Parker: 14.0/4.2/3.2 on 39% shooting (35 MPG)
Parker also shot 43% from 3 (Kidd shot 27%).
Trust me, there was a reason lol. Rewatch the games from that series and its embarrassing how even Bill Walton would REPEATEDLY call out Parker as ineffective and how Claxton ran the offense better. Why the do you think we went after Kidd in the first place lol.
Actually I was just rewatching the 2003 playoff run (full games). Walton continually praises Parker for keeping the offense moving when Duncan got into early foul trouble or just wasn't shooting.
Claxton went for 5.2/1.9 in the playoffs and only averaged 13 MPG (less in the Finals). That's significantly less production than we got from Aron Baynes two years ago to put it in perspective. Actually it's less than half of what we got from Parker last year in the playoffs for more perspective.
Look, we've all watched the 2003 Championship DVD a million times so we all remember that Claxton made 2 baskets in the 4th quarter of Game 6. Sorry those make you think he played a significant part in that le run.
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Career playoffs:
Kidd: 12.9 PPG on 39% shooting, lol
Parker: 18.2 PPG on 46% shooting
Thank God things worked the way they did.
He was 20 years old man, going up against an all star and future HOF. Did you expect him to play even?I don't get the player or Parker hate in here, it really just makes me think some are really just player fans or fans of guys from their country....
Parker was always pretty good come playoff time prior to 2015 when matched up with opposing PG's outside of Marbury in '03. The opposition come playoff time after a few games would change up the strategy of having a PG guard Parker and switch a SG or an SF on him. I remember Lebron guarding Parker at times during the '13 finals. Parker tended to struggle once the switch was made. It goes to show you how good Parker was that teams had to put their best perimeter defender on him during the playoffs. Anyways they are only 4 PG's that have playoff experience of playing 50 games or more that have shot better FG percentage wise than Parker during the playoffs the last 26 years. Those PG's are Stockton,Nash,Kevin Johnson,CP3. The PG position is the easier position on the court to guard hence why they tend not to shoot high percentages during the playoffs and why it's rare for a PG to be the best player on a championship team.
I think the hatred of Parker in here is a combination of him being the most arrogant out of the big 3, his playboy lifestyle, and people having unreal expectations.
Parker played great game one and two of the 2003 finals. And without looking it up I seem to remember him playing very well in the first three rounds. He was a solid contributor and at least brought some speed to the team. The year I remember tony taking the leap was 2005-2006. Even in 2004-2005, he was not quite there yet (Manu was). But hey he did play Chauncey billups close enough to win the 2005 finals.
He was pretty bad in those 2005 Finals but you are right on the rest above, he was always killer against the Suns etc. He would match Nash and go at him, was a huge part of the Spurs defeating the Suns.Yes, he was definitely the most hated out of the big three I agree. I liked Tim and Gino better personally too and at times would talk trash about Parker but he was pretty solid for the Spurs for so long I just have to like the guy as a fan of the team.
Yah the 2005 playoffs in general for Parker were pretty good (17.1 PPG on 45% shooting). That next year he jumped to 21.1 PPG on better shooting in the playoffs. Keep in mind, he was 22 in the 2005 playoff run, so still a college-age player. But once he hit 23, he was above 20 PPG in the playoffs even to the point where he averaged 28.6 PPG on 55% shooting by 2009, while averaging 6.8 APG and 4.2 RPG. He really has 2 primes (2006-2009 & 2012-2014).
Tony Parker (not David, Tim, or even Kawhi) made the best defensive play in Spurs history in the 2005 NBA Finals when he D'ed up Rip Hamilton on the final play of game 5.
That's right, Tony freakin' Parker. Without that masterful defense, Detroit scores and wins, wiping out Horry's greatest game as a Spur, and likely leading to a Piston repeat.
Here you go in case you need a reminder (about the 12 minute mark):
Here's to you, Parker!
Tony was a huge part of the big three, some hating won't admit that but dude got busy during some of those playoff series.
Yes sir! One of the more important stops in Spurs history. Sacrificed his face for the W. Also got the huge steal on Lebron at the end of 6.Tony Parker (not David, Tim, or even Kawhi) made the best defensive play in Spurs history in the 2005 NBA Finals when he D'ed up Rip Hamilton on the final play of game 5.
That's right, Tony freakin' Parker. Without that masterful defense, Detroit scores and wins, wiping out Horry's greatest game as a Spur, and likely leading to a Piston repeat.
Here you go in case you need a reminder (about the 12 minute mark):
Here's to you, Parker!
Horry was a former Laker. Kawhi can take a few things from Horry's performance in this 2005 NBA Finals game. Horry was a real man, a real Spur, he stepped up to help the Spurs get the crucial win. That is what a real winner does, steps up in key pivotal moments when no one expected it.Tony Parker (not David, Tim, or even Kawhi) made the best defensive play in Spurs history in the 2005 NBA Finals when he D'ed up Rip Hamilton on the final play of game 5.
That's right, Tony freakin' Parker. Without that masterful defense, Detroit scores and wins, wiping out Horry's greatest game as a Spur, and likely leading to a Piston repeat.
Here you go in case you need a reminder (about the 12 minute mark):
Here's to you, Parker!
They don't cry for a trade to the Lakers.
Horry did plenty of crying before LA when he was playing for the Suns.
HOTS taking the elbow like a big boy...Tony Parker (not David, Tim, or even Kawhi) made the best defensive play in Spurs history in the 2005 NBA Finals when he D'ed up Rip Hamilton on the final play of game 5.
That's right, Tony freakin' Parker. Without that masterful defense, Detroit scores and wins, wiping out Horry's greatest game as a Spur, and likely leading to a Piston repeat.
Here you go in case you need a reminder (about the 12 minute mark):
Here's to you, Parker!
How many fouls do the refs call on that play today ?
Todays players couldnt handle 2k let alone 1990s or 80s etc. Game has disregarded all physicality and fundamentals.
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