Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[callo1]

The problem with this league is the fact that organizations treat players as divas. From AAU on, these guys expect to be given whatever they ask for.

Part of being an alluring team for these players is pampering them to the enth degree.

I'm sure Pop and RC are going to do what Kawhi wants every bit as much as what is best for the franchise, because ultimately they are one and the same. It is even more important for small market teams to pamper players because it is often the only way to lure free agent prospects to the team.

So many people on these forums get mad that the Spurs give out loyalty contracts. They have to in order to have any chance to compete will larger markets. They have to portray the Spurs family angle, and player loyalty or they have no chance of getting top tier talent. With all of that, they are still at a disadvantage compared to large market teams.

What frustrates me more than anything about the Kawhi saga is how his camp has sullied the Spurs organization throughout the entire process. The media jumped on board and took it to another level to cater to their own agenda. The Spurs are not perfect, but no franchise is.

What Kawhi, his camp, and the media have done is just abhorrent.

This is why the Spurs will cater to Kawhi, and this is why I just want him gone. Either that, or use him for one more year and let him walk for nothing. At least during that one year he will play hard to prevent his value from dropping further, and next year there will be cap space available.

[MoSpur02]

He was ready to accept the extension just a few weeks ago, his camp leaked it to Jabari and Shams. Then the Spurs denied him the deal

With Kawhi in a long term contract, they would have many teams willing to give it all for him in 2021 FA. He plays this next and 2020 season in SA and then trade him for whatever Spurs want.

The Spurs would have looked elite for two seasons more and then get what they want in a trade.

It would have been way better than this zero-great offers/losing him for nothing.

BS per usual. His uncle is withholding medical information. He doesn't wanna release anything until they get an offer for the max

[Marcus Bryant]

No the got is 100%

[spursistan]

No the got is 100%

[SAGirl]

So he wants to be the face of a franchise surrounded by scrubs? Spurs anyone?

According to shams, he's not looking for a superteam... Hey
I always thought the complaints about the roster were a spurstalk thing and they are. I will give him that he wasn't a guy to be complaining about not having enough help like LeBron tbh. It's a shame.

As you know I do belive he got injured and then got greedy. That's a bad combination but dude was a compe or. Would hate him in another team bc it healthy he will be great anywhere. Don't eexpect him to be a leader and buddy/buddy with teammates or do media though.

[ECOV]

Lol at reports saying the Lakers are okay to wait for Kawhi until 2019:

Marc Stein: More on the Lakers and DeMarcus Cousins: League sources say they remain Cousins fans but felt they had to pass on signing him now — even at a reduced rate — because the Lakers don’t share the Warriors’ luxury of waiting until January or February for Cousins’ return from injury
5 hours ago – via Twitter

Exactly almost no teams can do that except for the warriors , media sucking the warriors chode and talking about other teams not signing this 7ft cry baby

[Marcus Bryant]

The problem with this league is the fact that organizations treat players as divas. From AAU on, these guys expect to be given whatever they ask for.

Part of being an alluring team for these players is pampering them to the enth degree.

I'm sure Pop and RC are going to do what Kawhi wants every bit as much as what is best for the franchise, because ultimately they are one and the same. It is even more important for small market teams to pamper players because it is often the only way to lure free agent prospects to the team.

So many people on these forums get mad that the Spurs give out loyalty contracts. They have to in order to have any chance to compete will larger markets. They have to portray the Spurs family angle, and player loyalty or they have no chance of getting top tier talent. With all of that, they are still at a disadvantage compared to large market teams.

What frustrates me more than anything about the Kawhi saga is how his camp has sullied the Spurs organization throughout the entire process. The media jumped on board and took it to another level to cater to their own agenda. The Spurs are not perfect, but no franchise is.

What Kawhi, his camp, and the media have done is just abhorrent.

This is why the Spurs will cater to Kawhi, and this is why I just want him gone. Either that, or use him for one more year and let him walk for nothing. At least during that one year he will play hard to prevent his value from dropping further, and next year there will be cap space available.

Good post. Yes there has been some good fortune but they have made the playoffs 28 times out of the last 29 seasons (I think). Six Finals appearances and five NBA championships. The system is proven. If this organization was in NY, LA, Chicago, you would think it was a modern day version of the Yankees of the 30s or the 50s given how it would be treated by the various national sports media outlets. At this point there's nothing to prove, nothing to defend. If Leonard wants his group to get him out of SA, well, he'll be gone one way or the other. The franchise will live on without him, as it has before he ever showed up.

[tonight...you]

if he joins LA I’m starting all their game threads!

The man's a Soulja!!!

[NickiRasgo]

The problem with this league is the fact that organizations treat players as divas. From AAU on, these guys expect to be given whatever they ask for.

Part of being an alluring team for these players is pampering them to the enth degree.

I'm sure Pop and RC are going to do what Kawhi wants every bit as much as what is best for the franchise, because ultimately they are one and the same. It is even more important for small market teams to pamper players because it is often the only way to lure free agent prospects to the team.

So many people on these forums get mad that the Spurs give out loyalty contracts. They have to in order to have any chance to compete will larger markets. They have to portray the Spurs family angle, and player loyalty or they have no chance of getting top tier talent. With all of that, they are still at a disadvantage compared to large market teams.

What frustrates me more than anything about the Kawhi saga is how his camp has sullied the Spurs organization throughout the entire process. The media jumped on board and took it to another level to cater to their own agenda. The Spurs are not perfect, but no franchise is.

What Kawhi, his camp, and the media have done is just abhorrent.

This is why the Spurs will cater to Kawhi, and this is why I just want him gone. Either that, or use him for one more year and let him walk for nothing. At least during that one year he will play hard to prevent his value from dropping further, and next year there will be cap space available.

Agree with you especially on the statement you've said. Anyone is now saying bad things about the Spurs as if the Spurs are known about it. Spurs take good care of Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili and Parker and even some previous solid role players of the Spurs. Then because of Leonard, they're now saying sh*t about the Spurs as if they're the one to be fully blame here. If Leonard and his camp just speak and talk about it, it won't be like and taken care of professionally.

Though I'm still open for him to stayed but just speak and clean about what they've done to Spurs. It's still hard to replace Leonard especially if he's healthy.

[MoSpur02]

The Boston Celtics aren't prepared to mortgage their future to acquire San Antonio Spurs star Kawhi Leonard.

ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported the Celtics consider their top five players "off limits" in any negotiations with the Spurs. Wojnarowski added Boston is prepared to make a "pick-heavy" offer but that San Antonio is looking to add players as well:


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...imits-in-talks

I guess that Boston negotiation I mentioned yesterday didn't go to well. I didn't wanna post too much, but apparently Pop and Kawhi were or are going to meet. Tje Spurs were gonna negotiate with Boston, but the Spurs want a player or players from Boston. They are not going to settle. Last from what I heard.

Things can change though. I haven't heard any news since yesterday. I hope they don't change and hope the Spurs work something out with Kawhi or stick to their guns as to what they want in return.

[NickiRasgo]

if he joins LA I’m starting all their game threads!

Yes please.

[picnroll]

In the back of my mind I always wondered if they found something worse when they did the MRI.

If it is the case that he had a serious career threatening injury why would he be making the demands to be traded to LA? Seems in that case he’d have just laid low and gone for the supermax deal with the Spurs.

[spursistan]

Feels like, as Woj mentioned, teams realizing they are dealing with a bunch of amateurs and snake oil salesmen, which Kawhi's representatives are, is a major reason no trades talks have gotten any serious traction..

These people cannot be trusted; they are literally dabbling in this ..

[Down Under]

I think Pelton used the Dwight Howard example of spurning the Lakers after he said he wanted to go there as a counter to the argument that they missed Paul George by not trading for him. But the chance of that happening is low given he's from LA, is not actually hurt & also Kawhi is a better player than Howard was at any time during his career & has been on an upward trajectory every year. As someone said, there's usually less than a handful of players in the league, every decade who lead their teams to just about every championship & Kawhi is on that level. It would be dumb of the Lakers to risk that getting away & not offer the Spurs what they want.

[tonight...you]

if he joins LA I’m starting all their game threads!

The man's a Soulja!!!

[cjw]

Not that I think the Spurs should take Ainge’s proposal but:

1. Celtics own all of their first round selections going forward.

2. Celtics get the Sacramento Kings first round pick in 2019. This option was picked up by the Celtics on trade with Philadelphia for first overall pick in 2017 NBA Draft.

3. The Celtics will get the L.A. Clippers first round pick in 2019 only if it's is No. 15 or later (1 to 14 are protected). If Celtics don't get the pick, it reverts to 2020 under same restrictions, from pick No. 15 and later. If the Celtics don't get that Clippers pick in 2020, they will receive the Clippers 2022 second round pick.

4. The Celtics will get the Memphis first round pick in 2019 if it is No. 9 overall or later; or No. 7 and later in 2020. Otherwise, the Celtics will receive the Memphis first round pick in 2021 with no restrictions.

Man, four first rounders is a ton to give up, even for a Kawhi-though he would likely stay there, given reports.

Btw, they wouldn't need to go that far in the future to trade picks, when they can trade a likely lottery pick next year in 2019 then the '21 and '23 1st rounders.


Harris, Boban, Dekker, 2019 1st (1-14 unprotected to Spurs, 15-30 to Celtics) 2021 and '2023 1st round picks for Kawhi and Gasol would work and would slash about $12 million off this year's team salary

Can the Clippers even trade their 2021 pick given the protections on the 2019 pick that could become the 2020 pick?

I also wouldn’t touch the Clippers pick the Celtics own as that would mean Kawhi to Celtics = Clippers have no hope of making the playoffs = that becomes a second rounder.

[tonight...you]

I'm not really into TV series except if it's really interesting especially the settings and cinematography. I'm really picky. I'm more often play compe ive games like Dota, CSGO or PUBG rather than watching. Heck I even enjoyed watching eSports today than watching the NBA. For the record, I think I only watched less than five or between 5-10 games (live) of the Spurs this previous season.

I can dig that. Never played PUBG, but I'm interested... Unfortunately all my friends are console players and I'm PC.

[callo1]

Agree with you especially on the statement you've said. Anyone is now saying bad things about the Spurs as if the Spurs are known about it. Spurs take good care of Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili and Parker and even some previous solid role players of the Spurs. Then because of Leonard, they're now saying sh*t about the Spurs as if they're the one to be fully blame here. If Leonard and his camp just speak and talk about it, it won't be like and taken care of professionally.

Though I'm still open for him to stayed but just speak and clean about what they've done to Spurs. It's still hard to replace Leonard especially if he's healthy.

Anyone remember Avery's final contract...talk about a loyalty contract, It was absurd. I can't remember the exact figures, but I am sure somebody on this forum knows?

[Vic Petro]

Anyone remember Avery's final contract...talk about a loyalty contract, It was absurd. I can't remember the exact figures, but I am sure somebody on this forum knows?

$8m in his final year with the team ‘00-01

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Espn and quite every people that till now has talked about the Kiwhi situation have to be call out in some manner.
I understand that' probably breaking chances to mend the relationship with uncle dennis, but at some point some of the bull this people is throwing to the Spurs organization has to end...
Till now the only voice that has said something that could be considered for the Spurs side is Simmons, and his 8/9 doctors thing.
Imho its obvious that all this has been orchestrated since a long time and the main media, all have an interest to provoke a splitting on the Kiwhi/Spurs relationship.

The point that has to be made clear is that the Spurs behavior has always been in the sense of protect the player from any kind of dangerous injury (see the fact we decided to sit him in the conference finals just for a sprained anckle) and having confidence in the player's and his group honesty (see the freedom given in consenting them to find other medical opinions and consenting his reabilitation in N.Y.)...
The other point to make clear is that Kiwhi has became what he was till one year ago in great part because of the Spurs environment, choices and training...and that the relationship with Pop was so good that he is the only person he's still talking with...

The contradictions coming from the Kawhi's group are many and obvious...its time to let them emerge and to èut out the possible conflict of interest between the player and the sociaty thet's acting for him.

[barakz21]

I can dig that. Never played PUBG, but I'm interested... Unfortunately all my friends are console players and I'm PC.

dota 2?

[SAGirl]

Is it low key possible Kawhi’s injury is more serious than we realize?

I have been saying that long ago.
He might have recovered but IMO he was legit injured. I still have questions he will not have recurring issues in that leg.

Chinook also thinks the injury has been at the center of their disagreements.

[tonight...you]

dota 2?

I've played it. I get it. There are so many characters though... I'd throw down, but I definitely need to get more savvy with it.

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You think? I got friends that range from Rockets to Thunder fans, even Laker fans thinking Kawhi is a .

Without a doubt this is the correct view.

All one needs do is visit the NBA reddit page. Its 85/15 people thinking Kawhi has made the error in handling this situation. It's not even close really. Makes me laugh that auntfocker thinks Cowherd = truth.

[tonight...you]

I have been saying that long ago.
He might have recovered but IMO he was legit injured. I still have questions he will not have recurring issues in that leg.

Chinook also thinks the injury has been at the center of their disagreements.

Therein lies the Rub: If the Spurs were certain he has a degenerative condition, or something that's really chronic - trading him for scraps to LA is not THAT bad.
You're gaining assets from them and possibly sabotaging what they want at the same time...
But what if it was all a fraud? Like him and his reps have shown to be above that... Then you're gifting a Top 5 player to another team. And the Lakers?
It's a conundrum.