Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Robz4000]

Not getting Gay back was worse.

I'm saying it sucks he's our second best player. Glad to have him back though.

[marinoman]

DeRozan is a top 12 player in the league and to me he was the 3rd place mvp imo last year . But every single year he turns into DeDumpster in the playoffs

[FkLA]

That is the strange part. If you never go to ST or never visit SA you would have no clue on the hatred they harbor for us. I never hated the Spurs or Pop. Bowen, Barry and Sean Elliott (announcer not player) absolutely. But Duncan, Manu, Pop, David and to a lessor degree Tony (and KL) no reason to hate those guys. Great classy players their fan base though has some good posters but a lot of bitter and insecure folks that you sometimes can't tell they have been the best franchise of the past 21 years the way they rip Pop/Tony/Manu on here...

Dude that is stupid. Why wouldn't we hate the Lakers?

For one, you were our biggest pain in the ass during Duncan's prime. Two, your team stands for the complete opposite of what the Spurs stand for. Glamour, destination city, that poaches other team's stars. A player in Kobe that was as selfish as they come and who was wrongly put above Timmy by way too many large-market catering media members. League darlings (SAC Game 6, Stern openly saying his dream finals are Lakers vs Lakers).

Go toe to toe in your profession with someone that was handed life on a silver platter and who continues to get preferential treatment and see how much you like that guy.

[MoSpur02]

I don't like DeRozan or Lowry. If the Spurs trade for Lowry I'm gonna lose it. I might be able to stomach DeRozan, but not Lowry.

[daslicer]

Dude that is stupid. Why wouldn't we hate the Lakers?

For one, you were our biggest pain in the ass during Duncan's prime. Two, your team stands for the complete opposite of what the Spurs stand for. Glamour, destination city, that poaches other team's stars. A player in Kobe that was as selfish as they come and who was wrongly put above Timmy by way too many large-market catering media members. League darlings (SAC Game 6, Stern openly saying his dream finals are Lakers vs Lakers).

Go toe to toe in your profession with someone that was handed life on a silver platter and who continues to get preferential treatment and see how much you like that guy.

That's how I feel about the Lakers. Lakers are the equivalent of that rich kid you work with at your job. You know the kid is not qualified for job but he's there because of his connections.

[Keepin' it real]

He traded yet?

I heard it's a done deal.

[MoSpur02]

DeRozan wiped out his Instagram account

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun...-instagram/amp

[DAF86]

That is the strange part. If you never go to ST or never visit SA you would have no clue on the hatred they harbor for us. I never hated the Spurs or Pop. Bowen, Barry and Sean Elliott (announcer not player) absolutely. But Duncan, Manu, Pop, David and to a lessor degree Tony (and KL) no reason to hate those guys. Great classy players their fan base though has some good posters but a lot of bitter and insecure folks that you sometimes can't tell they have been the best franchise of the past 21 years the way they rip Pop/Tony/Manu on here...

You are the United States of the NBA. Everybody hates you, tbh.

[Spurs9]

http://amicohoops.net/nba-rumors-san...eacher-report/

Nearly half a dozen general managers told Bleacher Report’s Ric Bucher during the first weekend of the Las Vegas Summer League that they would trade for San Antonio Spurs star Kawhi Leonard even without a guarantee he’ll stay beyond next season.

Leonard, who has requested a trade from the Spurs, will become a unrestricted free agent in 2019.

“I wouldn’t say we’re all scared to death to make a deal because there’s no chance he’ll re-sign [with a team somewhere other than L.A.],” an Eastern Conference general manager told Bucher. “PG [Paul George] did. C-Webb [Chris Webber] did.”

[Russ]

No one is expecting the world. Equal value would be getting Simmons from Philly, Davis from New Orleans, something like that. No one is expecting anything close to equal value. I'm saying I don't see the point in taking a grab bag of a lot of limited players who won't be anything to build around. I just want one prospect who has a chance of being somebody. If I'm the Spurs GM and I don't get that then who cares if Leonard walks for nothing? Either way the Spurs are in the same situation, lottery bound with no one to build around. Ingram, Saric, same thing, limited player who could be a nice #3 in the best case.

I agree.

As Bobby Dylan said, "When you ain't got nothin, you got nothin to lose."

Play it out.

[Seventyniner]

I would much rather have Lowry than DeRozan, one less year on his contract, better playmaker and more efficient scorer. But I would rather have neither.

[daslicer]

That is the strange part. If you never go to ST or never visit SA you would have no clue on the hatred they harbor for us. I never hated the Spurs or Pop. Bowen, Barry and Sean Elliott (announcer not player) absolutely. But Duncan, Manu, Pop, David and to a lessor degree Tony (and KL) no reason to hate those guys. Great classy players their fan base though has some good posters but a lot of bitter and insecure folks that you sometimes can't tell they have been the best franchise of the past 21 years the way they rip Pop/Tony/Manu on here...

I think for you there is a generation disconnect since you are above the age of 40. I'm in my 30's and I can tell you that there has been huge amount of hatred between Spurs and Laker fans who are below the age of 40. For you the Lakers biggest rival is the Celtics because you grew up during showtime but for anybody below the age of 40 the biggest Laker rival is the Spurs. Trust me Laker fans in my age range and younger harbor the same amount of hatred for the Spurs that Spur fans harbor for the Lakers. I live in NC and when I have worn any spurs shirts I have had random Laker fans come up to me and talk but it's all in good fun.

[MoSpur02]

I would much rather have Lowry than DeRozan, one less year on his contract, better playmaker and more efficient scorer. But I would rather have neither.

I think we're set in the PG position. If Kawhi is moved we'll be really thin on the SF position unless you're considering Blossomgame.

[MoSpur02]

Did Rudy Gay and DeRozan play together in Toronto?

[Ron Swanson]

Did Rudy Gay and DeRozan play together in Toronto?

Yes.

[SpursWoman]

I think for you there is a generation disconnect since you are above the age of 40. I'm in my 30's and I can tell you that there has been huge amount of hatred between Spurs and Laker fans who are below the age of 40. For you the Lakers biggest rival is the Celtics because you grew up during showtime but for anybody below the age of 40 the biggest Laker rival is the Spurs. Trust me Laker fans in my age range and younger harbor the same amount of hatred for the Spurs that Spur fans harbor for the Lakers. I live in NC and when I have worn any spurs shirts I have had random Laker fans come up to me and talk but it's all in good fun.

I'm over the age of 40 .. but was still relatively young in the 80's. I think the real hatred with Spurs fans v. Lakers started *only* about 15-18 years ago, when were weren't quite so old yet and already posting in this forum.

[MoSpur02]

If a trade with Toronto happens I wonder if the Spurs include Mills or Gasol. I wonder if the Raptors include any other players. I wouldn't mind OG. Just his first name alone is worth it.

[spurs10]

I'm saying it sucks he's our second best player. Glad to have him back though.

Oh no I got it! Agree!

[loveforthegame]

Is Toronto a team that would flip Leonard to the Lakers or is it another team that would hold on to him because of ties to the Spurs?

[jjktkk]

Dude that is stupid. Why wouldn't we hate the Lakers?

For one, you were our biggest pain in the ass during Duncan's prime. Two, your team stands for the complete opposite of what the Spurs stand for. Glamour, destination city, that poaches other team's stars. A player in Kobe that was as selfish as they come and who was wrongly put above Timmy by way too many large-market catering media members. League darlings (SAC Game 6, Stern openly saying his dream finals are Lakers vs Lakers).

Go toe to toe in your profession with someone that was handed life on a silver platter and who continues to get preferential treatment and see how much you like that guy.

The Lakers, Spurs rivalry goes back a lot further than that. The Spurs had some very good teams back in the early 80s... Iceman, Mike Mitc , Gene Banks, Johnny Moore, Artis Gilmore, etc... with a great coach in Stan Albeck. Those Spurs teams back then were championship contenders, but unfortunately, they could never get past Magic and the Lakers.

[MoSpur02]

Is Toronto a team that would flip Leonard to the Lakers or is it another team that would hold on to him because of ties to the Spurs?

I don't think they would flip him. Who knows? Could Kawhi pull a, "I'm not showing up" at ude if this trade goes down?

[Payote75]

If you look at the offer we been hearing I take derozan plus depending on the plus we can say what we want about him but the guy was a top 12 player his contract is not awful when you think about possibly having to hand out a supermax to a diva cancer. You can add through free agency still especially if we can get some other pieces from Toronto that fit the Spurs and he is not old he and kawitter are what one year apart??

only other offer I'd consider is Irving and then we back to having to worry where as derozan Aldridge gay belli and youngsters and some other pieces from Toronto is not a bad team we made the playoffs without that diva last year in the western conference so we would be a 50 win team for sure.

in addition if the Spurs were willing to keep kawitter and add another player to help him why couple they acquire derozan and pieces and also put in play the same plan they had when keeping kawitter. For instance if it was Kembra then your telling me derozan Kembra Aldridge gay belli aren't a formidable good shooting team???? I'm all for it I want this over.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

It's clear Boston or Philly are capable of making best offer, but only Philly appears possibly willing to really negotiate. Lakers seem to only want Kawhi if they can get PATFO to panic and accept crap deal. Sacto maybe a dark horse to keep an eye on. If a deal is made with TOR (hope not) would rather Spurs convince Raptors to go all in and trade for Kawhi while keeping Lowry/Derozan. I personally would rather package Kawhi/Gasol/filler or pick for JV, some combination of OG, Siakam, Richardson and picks/filler. Make picks for 2020/21/22 (which should have potential as Kawhi would have bolted for LA, Lowry hurt or moved on, and Derozan old.)

I would much rather have Lowry than DeRozan, one less year on his contract, better playmaker and more efficient scorer. But I would rather have neither.

I agree. Not crazy about Toronto as trade partner, but if Spurs go that route hopefully they convince them to form Big 3, and get as many prospects/picks as possible. In the east a starting lineup of Lowry / Derozan/ Kawhi/ Ibaka/ Gasol should be able to challenge for finals spot.

[Spurs da champs]

DeRozan is so trash, OG & Pascal plus picks is interesting but not at the hindrance of Lowry or DeRozan.

[loveforthegame]

I don't think they would flip him. Who knows? Could Kawhi pull a, "I'm not showing up" at ude if this trade goes down?

I asked because a few articles suggested there were several teams who would rent Leonard and then flip him to the Lakers in February. I know teams with connections to the Spurs would not. I wasn’t sure where Toronto stood in that regard.