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He’s an intellectual type though I hear tbh.....
You expect a 19 year old SG with one year of college to have superior decision making.
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He’s an intellectual type though I hear tbh.....
If it's not broke, why fix it? Picking where the Spurs annually pick in the draft, how many superstars are you expecting to uncover? You're wanting the Spur's FO to start drafting prospects with more size and athletic ability sounds good in theory from your armchair, but there's a reason why a lot of these athletic type of players you covet don't pan out.
How did we “pass up” MKG? He was the second overall pick in 2012, and we had no shot at him, whatsoever.
Don’t let your facts get in the way of the narrative tbh.
<edit: not MCW either, some random 3 letter player who everyone was huge on that year>, whatever. Point is there are prospects that look way better every year we follow the Spurs drafts (Walker was pretty good so I can't fault that too much, only Robert Williams looked better to me). But the Spurs have been picking randoms each year when some of the more obvious picks have been passed up.
no way... when spurs pick literally at the end of 1st round (28/29th pick).... you can't say that they passed up on better talents when the rest of the other teams have passed on them too...
Very true.
Apologies for joining in but since 2009 (when they picked Blair) the Spurs have more or less done well with extremely late picks. Here is a list of players the Spurs whiffed on
2010 - Booker, Pondexter, Vazquez, Whiteside, Bjelica; picked J. Anderson instead
2011 - Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Thomas; picked Joseph
2012 - traded pick away to Golden State, with Crowder, Green, Middleton, and Barton all picked in the 2nd round
2013 - missed Gobert by a hair; Crabbe, Abrines, Neto, and Ennis; picked Jean-Charles
2014 - McDaniels, Dinwiddie, Grant, Jokic, Clarkson; picked Anderson instead
2015 - Nance, Hernangomez, Osman, Harrell, Richardson, Powell; picked Milutinov instead
2016 - Brogdon, Zubac, Diallo, McCaw, Zipser, Bolomboy; picked Murray instead
2017 - Hart, Ojeleye, Bell, Bacon, Brooks, Thornwell; picked White instead
All the Spurs picks have become regular rotation players for other teams, if not on the Spurs roster, with the exception of Jean-Charles, arguably their worst pick this decade because of injury. The second round is still pretty much a crap shoot but if you can eke out a rotation player at the tail-end of the draft, you’re doing quite well since other teams’ picks don’t even last to sign a second contract.
So we consider Spurs picks that blossomed for other teams good picks now? I guess most teams in the NBA draft well then if that's the case.
Name some.
Why? I'm asking the question. Ask the guy who literally just named them a few posts above.
I don't agree, tbh. Just because a pick might be succesful with another team years from when he was selected doesn't make it a good Spurs pick. , I have read some truly awful takes here from some people that cite picks that were made for other teams as "good choices" like Dragic, for example, who was picked for the Suns and traded for Malik ing Hairston.
As if the Spurs were "smart" for blindly selecting a guy who would go on to have a great NBA career, for another team, and getting trash in return. Same for Scola. You shouldn't get credit for drafting well then dumping said player for nothing.
I just see your posts time to time and get a general consensus that your not high on just about anything we do. I can’t recall any praise or compliments to this organization. Just saying... But to the topic at hand, yes the Spurs have one of the best track records in the league along the likes of Boston, OKC, Houston, Golden state and without top picks or money to buy picks. Cream of the crop I’d say. It’s just you make an argument that you aren’t prepared to defend than why do it? Just talk tbh
Awesome - thanks for sharing
I literally just defended it. The ?
Nice writeup. I can remember a lot/all of these drafts and recall many of the guys the Spurs passed over were exactly what I would call one of the "best available" during the Spurs pick.
Players like IT in 2011, who was a collegiate star. He was short, but damn he was fast and good. Seemed to me like a great bench spark plug, could have been like a Ty Lawson behind the then-still-good TP.
In 2013, Allen Crabbe was a clear best available, again snubbed for LJC out of Europe with an obvious buyout/restriction due to his contract I believe (had to stay there for a year perhaps). Perhaps they picked him because Tony like him but Crabbe was great in college and had good size to replace Manu eventually. Or even replace Green after he fell off.
2014: I liked Clarkson, no one knew Jokic would be so good, and Anderson turned out ok, so this to me is a push
2015: Montrezl Harrell was another best available and the Spurs passed him over to go for a guy who may not ever be anything in the NBA (Milutinov).
2016: Murray is ok, but Brogdon has arguably been better for his club (a starter) and was clearly one of the best available. Again probably a push, but Brogdon was a clear pick to me. Murray is still a project, and a PG who can't shoot or dribble is not really a PG if you ask me.
2017: Hart was a clear best available. Not as clear as some of the past ones, but damn good in college and still on the board. White, we shall see. But Hart was more polished and could have been already a better floor general than Murray (at least to get the offense running and not get trapped/picked).
Time machine draft picks are the best draft picks.
Funny how a bunch of you guys are PATFO apologists/fluffers in here but in every draft thread throughout the past 10 years everyone goes "WTF" after every Spurs pick. Not really time machine drafting when in the present moment during every draft half the fans in here want the best available/great prospect to be picked, we name the person outright, and PATFO goes in a random direction.
And that's especially considering how the roster is full of PG sized mediocre SGs at present.
I’m not even gonna get sassy. I’ll just repeat it then. You said most teams draft well and then passed on giving examples.
Yeah, they did it with Kawhi Leonard.
lol
It's really cliche, fans haven't been doing what the reactions at all lately. One or two persons makes hay about taking an athletic players instead, but by and large the Spurs have been conventional. Also lol at spurstalk mouth breathers being the standard to judge a front offense
I’m an apologist. I support my team. I guess being what you call a realist is just so “woke” and evolved that can give you the right to about everything the org does when the track record speaks for itself. You guys act like any org is perfect. Like Pop said with the Duncan years, you got a good thing you just hope to not screw things up. I’m paraphrasing but that has been the philosophy for song long and perfectly explains the status quo but some aren’t apt enough to pick that up. You can’t stand the franchise than follow a different team. Some like the fruit but not the tree or like the tree but the fruit... been posting so long you think your opinions actually mean anything but they don’t. Been saying, just enjoy the ride. Nothing lasts forever. There’ll be time to criticize this org but it’s still not yet. Y’all missing it...
People cheered the Kawhi pick. They pictured him as the coveted Long 3 that we desperately needed to defend guys like Kobe/LeBron etc. (since RJ sucked). We thought he would be the next Bowen. Only issue with that was they were way off on his ceiling. Of course people didn't like the fact that Hill was traded, but to me that's a trade move not a pick. If you're introducing general roster moves into this argument you could say Spurs are awesome at picking diamonds by citing Green from the D-league, etc.
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