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Elite 6th men and Solid rotation pieces are key to winning les, Spur fan should appreciate that more than most.
The Lakers just offered them for Leonard...unless all those reports were false or we’re reading vastly different sets of news. If they were convinced with the young core they shouldn’t have offered any of these guys for Leonard. I don’t know how you can say they’re not expendable when the team expressed willingness to part with them to acquire another player. I’m well aware Kuzma made the all-rookie second team while Hart played better than expected for a 30th overall pick but they haven’t really proven anything. I understand the potential is alluring especially with an otherworldly talent like James, who will make these kids undoubtedly better. I wouldn’t go as far as saying they’re undervalued but at the same time the whole young core argument seems like sour graping after failing to land Kawhi.
Elite 6th men and Solid rotation pieces are key to winning les, Spur fan should appreciate that more than most.
Thanks for the compliment.
Honestly, I'm not Interested in kuzma and I'm not sure the spurs are either. Speaking strictly from my opinion (not saying the spurs see it this way) I would want Ingram, mo wagner, lonzo traded to a 3rd team and the assets it generates coming to the Spurs plus a 1st pick from LA.
I think Wagner will be a better long term player than kuzma because he's much bigger and his outside shot is just as good plus his rookie contract is in place a year longer. I also think lonzo would generate a good haul, something like JJ and a pick or bender from Phoenix . That's the kind of laker trade I'd like and I also think Magic can spin that he held the line on kuzma and Hart so he gets a win in the press conference.
SOME Reports say Kuzma was not included.
Me personally I would include Kuzma/Hart just not INGRAM...
Saying I would trade two assets for a top 5 player does not mean they are "expendable" Just not "untouchable". FOR Me, expendable means they could be had on the cheap. Getting a return of KL is not cheap.
And the undervalue comes when Spur fan says Ingram and Kuz are trash greeting nothing for KL when after watching Josh Jackson play in SL I am not sure I would trade Kuzma for him straight up...
Now I do think Jackson has more upside than Kuz but if so shouldn't he dominate SL games as 2nd year guy like Josh Hart is? Or Kuz did last year?
The Spurs worked out Kuzma prior to 2017 NBA Draft. With how he played last year I’m sure he was high up the Spurs’ draft board. https://hoopshype.com/2017/12/29/kyl...-draft-lakers/
I thought Josh Jackson was a bad pick from right about when he was drafted. Completely broken shot.
I'm sure he was as a pick in the late 20's. We are talking about a much different context now. The spurs lived him at 27 or so but, would they love him at 10? 15? So the context matters.
Fair points.
I'm not even suggesting that Spurs should accept a Kuzma centered deal. Just saying he in not "trash". I THINK he can be a syrong starter on bad to mediocre team but I am hoping for us he is the, 6th man because if he is your 6th man means you have a strong team. Some on LG want to crown him a star so badly and if he continues to to exceed expectations, great. I will be happy to be wrong but contenders need guys like Kuzma playing the Robert Horry, Odom Iggy type roles too.
Pretty sure not 10 better players than Kuzma in last year's draft. Anything after 10 "would still be great value" for Kuzma.
Certainly isn’t cheap. I understand one team has to get the short end of the stick but the Spurs made it clear that wasn’t going to be them. I don’t get the whole “that’s okay, we’re invested in our young core anyway” swerve after punting on a trade. It’s either you whiffed or you didn’t, and the clear message is that the trade package simply wasn’t good enough. Why are these players the only ones the Lakers were willing to part with? Why were they willing to part with them, but only them?
Kuzma isn’t trash. Neither is Ingram. But people acting like they are already really good are wrong. They could be, they should develop more but as of today they aren’t even above average players.
It will be fascinating to watch LA this season. They are apparently doubling down on their 3 year window with Bron based on their core developing. If Ingram doesn’t make a Kawhi like leap it will be a BIG issue. They need and expect Ingram to be a legit number 2 on a le team and they don’t have 4 years for that to happen. It has to happen NEXT season or else you are now going into year 2 of Lebron a year older and now no true number 2 on the team (and Ingram’s upside sell further damaged).
If he makes the leap? They are in great shape. Will be very interesting.
I agree pressure is on Ingram.
He was considered untouchable in deals for PG and Kawhi in back to back years. I think KL is to high a bar to expect him to reach in year 3, But I think PG is attainable.
We will see.
I also understand why Kuzma/Hart and first is not enough also. As DPG says it's still unproven.
I don't think he's trash. I think he's a valuable role play and I think he fits better next to LeBron than Ingram (even though Ingram has a much higher ceiling).
I agree pressure is on Ingram.
He was considered untouchable in deals for PG and Kawhi in back to back years. I think KL is to high a bar to expect him to reach in year 3, But I think PG is attainable.
We will see.
I also understand why Kuzma/Hart and first is not enough also. As DPG says it's still unproven.
There’s a disconnect with how they see their young players based on their potential and their actual achievements. The kids will do great this year since all defenses are focusing on LeBron while Kuzma and Ingram have less defensive pressure to deal with. Add to that the fact they’re probably climbing to the playoffs from the bottom of the barrel, the fans have a lot to be happy about. I personally think their fan base thought they could get a disgruntled star on the cheap as they always had e.g. Gasol, Howard, and Nash, but they really should have been content with that nice handful of young players they highly value.
Burying your head in the sand is quite pathetic, tbh. Grow some nuts.
Has no business other than the fact that he won in a electoral college landslide?“Commie ass” because he agrees with the majority of the country that Trump is a piece of that has no business being president?
It's great watching win piss off so many re ed leftists that hate America and her values.
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You obviously have no clue what America is or what her values are.
You've got a great grasp on your own racist needs that he is enabling so there's that I guess.
You're still an idiot and your "president" is still a Russian puppet that will spend the rest of his life in prison, getting viciously cornholed by every race under the sun.
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because hillary isnt a puppet right...
she is her own woman.
Kuzma isn’t trash more like a dollar bill you find in the grass at a park.
That wasn't an electoral college landslide. Wtf you smoking. Those margins were weak.Has no business other than the fact that he won in a electoral college landslide?
It's great watching win piss off so many re ed leftists that hate America and her values.
I'm not debating his presidency though.
I'm not gonna indeed engage in an analysis of "The Society of the Spectacle" by Guy Debord and my post wasn't a societal stance but just a semi-ironic remark to dudes with an always fascinating lack of perspective and moderation regarding that kind of topics.
And I'm not questionig the way of life of my murican fellows, far from it, as like in most western societies, it has produced (somehow) the most prosperous, creative and stable nations.
But what can you answer to that, except note that it's possible for a brain to generate such a thought then order the lips to enounce it without at any moment something saying "wait, this is ing stupid" :
Entertainment has always been important in any society and even a big part of social link and cohesion and NBA players are not stealing their money (except Leonard this year).
But allow me to disagree with you, entertainment can definitely come from reading a book about physics, trying to work out problems, applying to real problems or sharing. And great entertainement at that.
How did this thread become political?Has no business other than the fact that he won in a electoral college landslide?
It's great watching win piss off so many re ed leftists that hate America and her values.
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