Jim Carrey: 'We Have to Say Yes to Socialism'

[RandomGuy]

The notion that it's either capitalism or socialism is wrong. They can coexist depending on the context. And reasonable arguments can be made where capitalism works on certain areas, and socialism makes sense in others.

Exactly.

A nuanced understanding.

I haven't finished reading, but have little doubt that this post will be the target of some unhinged vacuous attack.

[RandomGuy]

Except for the fact that it always leads to communism. Collectivism in general is a pipedream and relies on 0% bad actors. It will never work.

(snicker)

Ok. Funny how there aren't any communist governments in western Europe.

[RandomGuy]

The problem isn't socialist ideals. The problem is that "socialism" is a form of government, and when you try to mix it with capitalism and other "isms" it isn't socialism. It's like saying Islam is peaceful if you don't follow the tenets closely. There's no reason to use terms like socialism or capitalism if your system isn't either of them, which it actually isn't if you actually adhere to the definition of each instead of trying to rewrite the english language to make a point.

Also, Jim Carrey is a nutjob. How much of his wealth do you think he's spread around to the needy?

Implied:

Jim Carey is wrong about socialism because he doesn't spread wealth "around to the needy".

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

ad hominem
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

No matter how many times your failure of reasoning his pointed out to you, you keep doing it.

It's almost like you are an idiot or something.

You aren't wrong because you are an idiot. You are an idiot because you are wrong, and keep at stupid arguments, even after being shown conclusively that your arguments are ty.

[RandomGuy]

We had that debate a long time ago, and capitalism mostly won out. Sure, there are elements of socialism in our economy, but outside of roads and defense, which inherently are better managed by a government rather than a free market, government control of any sector of the economy is scrutinized. South America has been way more liberal with adopting socialism, but admittedly, they have not been very successful economies, traditionally. A lot of that is corruption from the government, but I don't think you can separate socialism from the corruption, at least not in South America.

Depends on what you are talking about.

For things like health care, where the general assumptions that make free markets run efficiently break down, you really do need to socialize the insurance aspect. Insurance is, at its most pure essence, the socialization of risks anyway.

[cd98]

I wasn't talking about the US in particular with that example. Just comparing the pure Capitalist ideology to the Socialist one.

To me it is clear that, in strictly theoretical terms, Socialism is a lot more human, solidary and heart driven than Capitalism. Then we can discuss about actually putting those ideas in practice, but in terms of pure theory where we would have a World where every person is equally good natured and hard working, Socialism would work better than Capitalism.

Well I guess we are getting terms mixed up. In a capitalism system, it doesn't necessarily mean that a poor person that cannot afford health care will get none. Just like a socialist system doesn't guarantee that there will be enough resources to provide equal health care for everyone.

In a purely hypothetical capitalistic system, the market would provide a system that would address those with less income to pay for top notch health care. But it's true under that system, some of the best care would not be available. But socialism doesn't fix that problem either. You may technically have "universal" care, but it still must be rationed because their are finite resources. So just because you have universal care does not mean you will get the best care or at least you won't get the best care in time for it to help you. I don't think you answer the question when you assume that "socialism" fixes everyone's problems and capitalism only addresses the people that have the wealth.

[cd98]

Depends on what you are talking about.

For things like health care, where the general assumptions that make free markets run efficiently break down, you really do need to socialize the insurance aspect. Insurance is, at its most pure essence, the socialization of risks anyway.

Insurance to me is a hybrid. The bigger question was how much should the government regulate the insurance market and whether it should participate in the market. Obama just commented that it's time to talk about the government taking over health care with a single payer system. That would be complete socialization of health care.

[DMC]

I cant stand far left bull but I never get this rightwing talking point..hes literally volunteering to be part of the rich group who is heavily taxed to pay for you and I's health care and other welfare programs. Never made sense to me this argument tbh

Yeah he's a hero.

He's starting the argument. Therefore he's the one who's being a hypocrite. Those pointing it out aren't advocating either way, just pointing out that he's saying capitalism < socialism but the only reason he has a platform is because of capitalism.

[DMC]

Implied:

Jim Carey is wrong about socialism because he doesn't spread wealth "around to the needy".

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem


No matter how many times your failure of reasoning his pointed out to you, you keep doing it.

It's almost like you are an idiot or something.

You aren't wrong because you are an idiot. You are an idiot because you are wrong, and keep at stupid arguments, even after being shown conclusively that your arguments are ty.

I didn't say or imply it. I just don't care to hear proselytizing from the wicked. There's something inherently flawed about it. It gets called out here quite often even by you.

Your reading comprehension is more corrupt than your moral high ground.

[cd98]

I'm pretty sure Jim Carey donates to charities and I'm sure he pays a hefty tax bill. But you also have to remember that Jim Carey probably has a great accountant and that Jim Carey is so wealthy that taxes do not impact his standard of living. The people squeezed by large tax bills are middle class people that vastly outnumber these millionaire socialists. Jim Carey gets a tax break and he doesn't care, but it does have an impact on the middle class. And raising the tax bill on the middle class has a big impact. That's where his legitimacy takes a hit. Until you suffer like the people that get the highest tax bill relative to their income, you can't speak for them.

[DMC]

I'm pretty sure Jim Carey donates to charities and I'm sure he pays a hefty tax bill. But you also have to remember that Jim Carey probably has a great accountant and that Jim Carey is so wealthy that taxes do not impact his standard of living. The people squeezed by large tax bills are middle class people that vastly outnumber these millionaire socialists. Jim Carey gets a tax break and he doesn't care, but it does have an impact on the middle class. And raising the tax bill on the middle class has a big impact. That's where his legitimacy takes a hit. Until you suffer like the people that get the highest tax bill relative to their income, you can't speak for them.

"Let them eat cake" is a good message, just misguided and wrong messenger. logkl falucy pls

[koriwhat]

He's doing more than you. And you're an admitted druggy.

You should leave.

lmao i'm no junkie. what do you call carrey then if not a druggy too? and he ain't doing so keep sucking him off you got.

poor little ass blake.

[Mikeanaro]

far right Clear Channel controls radio
far right Sinclair controls a ton of local stations
far right Fox News is the #1 cable news network

Nobody is making people watch Fox News, they can choose NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or CNN and then TIME magazine, WAPO, LA TIMES Business Insider and all that garbage.
and this is not everything, they have Yahoo Facebook Google Twitter... to spread all over the world not just in the states, everyone uses yahoo and google and its a fest, just loaded Yoo Hoo and

Politics Yahoo View

We already have all of the information we need to impeach Trump

Also CNN has roots everywhere, just watch CNN latinoamerica spreading lies to latinos, they have ties with TN (the biggest news group here) and they parrot the same all the time.

So Dems have all media.

[Mikeanaro]

I'm pretty sure Jim Carey donates to charities and I'm sure he pays a hefty tax bill. But you also have to remember that Jim Carey probably has a great accountant and that Jim Carey is so wealthy that taxes do not impact his standard of living. The people squeezed by large tax bills are middle class people that vastly outnumber these millionaire socialists. Jim Carey gets a tax break and he doesn't care, but it does have an impact on the middle class. And raising the tax bill on the middle class has a big impact. That's where his legitimacy takes a hit. Until you suffer like the people that get the highest tax bill relative to their income, you can't speak for them.

Also I must remind you that Jim Carrey is a very down to earth person, Jim Carrey suffers from depression and that makes Jim Carrey to take pills, then Jim Carrey gave Jim Carrey´s ex pills and Jim Carrey´s ex died but there was no further information regarding Jim Carrey´s responsibility .

Its a safe bet to say Jim Carrey lives a fancy life and doesnt practice what Jim Carrey preaches.
So far Jim Carrey is not housing illegals, Jim Carrey is not sharing his wealth, Jim Carrey is not doing politics to help people, Jim Carrey is just speaking out of his ass like Jim Carrey´s Ace Ventura ¨pet detective¨

[Mikeanaro]

Capitalism: "You don't have money to pay medical expanses? Well, sorry for you."

Socialism: "You are sick? Here, we can help you."

Which one sounds better?

You are distorting things

Is everyone paying to have free health?, or just middle class and then you have millions of bums getting everything for free.

[Spurtacular]

You are distorting things

Is everyone paying to have free health?, or just middle class and then you have millions of bums getting everything for free.

Pretty much just the bums; and "free" is still laughable even then.

[Mikeanaro]

Pretty much just the bums; and "free" is still laughable even then.

Lol, well then I would love to hear their plans to get bums straight, and then create the socialist paradise that would make everything better.

[cd98]

Also I must remind you that Jim Carrey is a very down to earth person, Jim Carrey suffers from depression and that makes Jim Carrey to take pills, then Jim Carrey gave Jim Carrey´s ex pills and Jim Carrey´s ex died but there was no further information regarding Jim Carrey´s responsibility .

Its a safe bet to say Jim Carrey lives a fancy life and doesnt practice what Jim Carrey preaches.
So far Jim Carrey is not housing illegals, Jim Carrey is not sharing his wealth, Jim Carrey is not doing politics to help people, Jim Carrey is just speaking out of his ass like Jim Carrey´s Ace Ventura ¨pet detective¨

To be fair to Jim, though, he grew up in a family where his dad was an accountant that lost everything and they lived in a van for a time. He's known when things go bad, real bad. I'm sure that informs how he sees the world. Doesn't make his point of view "correct", but I do think he is sincere in thinking socialism is better for people.

[baseline bum]

Nobody is making people watch Fox News, they can choose NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or CNN and then TIME magazine, WAPO, LA TIMES Business Insider and all that garbage.
and this is not everything, they have Yahoo Facebook Google Twitter... to spread all over the world not just in the states, everyone uses yahoo and google and its a fest, just loaded Yoo Hoo and

Politics Yahoo View

We already have all of the information we need to impeach Trump

Also CNN has roots everywhere, just watch CNN latinoamerica spreading lies to latinos, they have ties with TN (the biggest news group here) and they parrot the same all the time.

So Dems have all media.

All the media even though I showed you a ton of straight Republican propaganda making up a huge part of the mass media.

What a load of bull calling anyone who doesn't spout Hannity and Limbaugh conspiracy theories as some kind of left media. Why are Republicans such crybabies about respectable news organizations not peddling right wing conspiracy theories on Seth Rich, Obama's birth certificate, pedophile pizza rings, etc?

[Mikeanaro]

All the media even though I showed you a ton of straight Republican propaganda making up a huge part of the mass media.

What a load of bull calling anyone who doesn't spout Hannity and Limbaugh conspiracy theories as some kind of left media. Why are Republicans such crybabies about respectable news organizations not peddling right wing conspiracy theories on Seth Rich, Obama's birth certificate, pedophile pizza rings, etc?

Dems are not respectables Russia, Impeach, Stormy, Racism, Latino hate, Rape, Bad Economy and International Deals, suing because they lost an election fair and square is pretty crybaby too, the whole Kavanaugh thing 1300 questions are they trying to match him with Jesus?

As I told you before, internet giants are aligned with dems and thats a lot more than radio, Yahoo Google Twitter and Facebook, what does Reps have? breitbart?

[Mikeanaro]

To be fair to Jim, though, he grew up in a family where his dad was an accountant that lost everything and they lived in a van for a time. He's known when things go bad, real bad. I'm sure that informs how he sees the world. Doesn't make his point of view "correct", but I do think he is sincere in thinking socialism is better for people.

Yeah I know his story they had to eat from the trash cans, he even made jokes about that like 30 years ago.
Then he made millions and never looked back to help those in need, Jim is a pretty sick guy because of that depression thing.

[DAF86]

Well I guess we are getting terms mixed up. In a capitalism system, it doesn't necessarily mean that a poor person that cannot afford health care will get none. Just like a socialist system doesn't guarantee that there will be enough resources to provide equal health care for everyone.

In a purely hypothetical capitalistic system, the market would provide a system that would address those with less income to pay for top notch health care. But it's true under that system, some of the best care would not be available. But socialism doesn't fix that problem either. You may technically have "universal" care, but it still must be rationed because their are finite resources. So just because you have universal care does not mean you will get the best care or at least you won't get the best care in time for it to help you. I don't think you answer the question when you assume that "socialism" fixes everyone's problems and capitalism only addresses the people that have the wealth.

In a perfect Socialist society, all the people would have access to the best medical system available. There would be no difference. In a perfect Capitalist society, those who have more, would have access to higher levels of medical care than the rest.

[DAF86]

You are distorting things

Is everyone paying to have free health?, or just middle class and then you have millions of bums getting everything for free.

We are talking about ideal scenarios for both systems. So Socialism wouldn't have "bums getting everything for free".

[DMC]

In a perfect Socialist society, all the people would have access to the best medical system available. There would be no difference. In a perfect Capitalist society, those who have more, would have access to higher levels of medical care than the rest.

In a perfect capitalist society no one would need medical care and there'd be no poor people because everyone would have creativity and ideas they could sell, and the eventuality of it equates to stratification of wealth/population.

It's odd that your Utopian socialist society has no normal people but the ideal capitalist society is full of them.

[Mikeanaro]

We are talking about ideal scenarios for both systems. So Socialism wouldn't have "bums getting everything for free".

But you must fix that first, so how?
In theory its very nice but, to not put you in this particular situation... how Jim Carrey could fix it so bums dont get everything for free?

[ElNono]

Theres no capitalist/socialist silver bullet, tbh. Both theories are flawed in certain areas, and that’s fine.