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I think everyone knows he’s a good shooter but that’s not enough. The team already has shooters unlike last season and he can’t take Mills minutes unfortunately...
Yeah there is. Basketball isn't run on paper or in forums. They have Pon on their team. They will likely have to address cutting him soon. It makes sense to see if that's the best course of action. That's just being responsible.
I think everyone knows he’s a good shooter but that’s not enough. The team already has shooters unlike last season and he can’t take Mills minutes unfortunately...
Agreed on the Pondexter thing. Pop playing him a few minutes outside of garbage time when he often doesn’t have a PG or proper lineups is kinda necessary to see how Pondexter looks next to others. They may very well be thinking about keeping him and it would be irresponsible to do that without seeing him play a few minutes with proper lineups.
You're right on account of the teams investment in the immediate future, but Pondexter's going to be out of the league in a year again. Do you then go and try to justify your borderline unreasonable signing of the guy or you never ever play him ahead of a much better, younger player with still so much unlocked upside? Not sure, really.
Pon made sense as a flier. They needed a rotational SF, and when healthy, Quincy was able to do that. They had to give him some guaranteed money to get him into camp. They're really trying to protect their money this year, so they can't afford to pay more money just to waive Pon later. But now, Pon is essentially on a 10-day contract. 10-day guys usually get rotational minutes even though once they're given a real contract, they often go back to the bench. It's not because those coaches are dumb/unfair for 10 days and then come back to themselves. They just need some data to make a decision.
I'm actually surprised Quincy hasn't played more.
I'm not. He's very likely physically incapable of doing so.
Bertans ing sucks.
bertans wont work with any line that has him on the floor with patty or forbes on at the same t ime, they are not creators, they are fkn chuckers
hence if u watch the spurs vs mavs game 29/10/2018, bertains was late on the defensive switches where he had b askets scored on him was due to the midget patty not running under or over the screens, but keeps on running into bertans or another defender stopping them from switching...
After all this time Bertans still doesn't know where he's supposed to be on the floor. He is fundamentally unsound.
He was the worst defender on the court today and it honestly wasn't even close. He's Austin Daye reincarnated, god awful for 8 games and then he'll have 1 explosion game, can't do on the other side of the ball though. His rim protecting is getting beyond overrated it's ridiculous.
I am unable to provide psychological assistance of the kind you need.
However, thank you for posting that. Perhaps some sucker will believe it, and he can be traded.
Bertans is a very poor man's Andrea Bargnani.
Our 1st unit doesn’t have strong help guy to hide Bertans weak defense, and the 2nd unit has noone to collapse the defense to get him open. No Manu to setup and create. Bertans is just in a bad situation.
Bertans lack all three of White, Murray and Walker...that are the ones in our team, other than DDR, supposed to create the miss match on offense penetrating and then passing the ball to the free player for shooting. Bertans is maybe the best shooyer on the team and one of the best in nba, but his offense is essentially as spot up shooter or coming out of screens shooter, with the chance to exploit free space cutting to the basket. All these ways need someone that can create space...and actually, only DDR and maybe Bellinelli can do that, but for the actual necessity of the team they are also the main shooters whenever they are on the game, so all plays are made for let them shoot and not pass. On the contrary, Mills, Forbes, Gay, LMA, Cunningham can't...but the first four play because they are from good (Gay, LMA) to decent (Mills, Forbes) in also creating the shot by themselves...that's a thing Bertans in unable to do.
No way in the this Bonner 2.0 get a starting spot..
No, Bertans isn't getting many minutes because he's on too short a leash. The goal should be to have the highest possible ceiling and he's capable of contributing to that.
Treating every game like it's a playoff game, in terms of minutes, is fine short term, but the mid 3 can't keep up this workload and it's not like White's and Walker's returns are right around the corner.
71.1% of Bertans' career attempts are from 3. Give him a consistent 20 or so mpg for a few weeks and he'll absolutely provide a much needed boost to their 3-point shooting.
His height and it's usefulness isn't tied to his rebounding or lack thereof. His size/skill set is rare enough to conceivably cause some match-up problems. Positionally, he's a 4 if they're playing 3 guards/wings. If he's playing with one of the other 2 forwards, they're just forwards and he'll guard the opposition's lesser of the two.
Pop doesn't love 3-point shooting period. It was Budenholzer who was a major proponent of Bonner playing a relatively big role back in the day.
Noted, but disagreed. I don't think it makes sense to assume Pop is irrational when there's a legit explanation for Bertans' minutes after two full years with the club.
White's actually in his return window now. My guess is he'll still be out another week or so, but if he came back and played tomorrow, it would not be surprising anymore. Walker will enter his return window this weekend. I don't particularly expect him back for like another month, but he could conceivably return within a fortnight without it being a surprise. Five more games. And if they really want help, they can play Pondexter/cut him and use his spot on someone why will play, or they can use their two-way slot to bring in someone who can play. This isn't hard.Treating every game like it's a playoff game, in terms of minutes, is fine short term, but the mid 3 can't keep up this workload and it's not like White's and Walker's returns are right around the corner.
Sure. As soon as he starts playing better, I'm sure he'll start playing better.71.1% of Bertans' career attempts are from 3. Give him a consistent 20 or so mpg for a few weeks and he'll absolutely provide a much needed boost to their 3-point shooting.
That's fine until he stops boxing out and lets people abuse him in the paint.His height and it's usefulness isn't tied to his rebounding or lack thereof. His size/skill set is rare enough to conceivably cause some match-up problems. Positionally, he's a 4 if they're playing 3 guards/wings. If he's playing with one of the other 2 forwards, they're just forwards and he'll guard the opposition's lesser of the two.
Pop used Bonner in critical series even after Bud left. I'm not going to say you were one of the people chastising Pop for his love of Bonner, but there were many folks here who did. Pop will never be the D'Antoni-like coach you seem to want him to be, but he understands the strategic value of the three, and he and the front office invested heavily into shooting this off-season. Forbes hasn't met a shot he won't take, and everyone else on the team seems to have spent the summer practicing range shooting. Believing Pop did all that while still not wanting players to shoot seems irrational.Pop doesn't love 3-point shooting period. It was Budenholzer who was a major proponent of Bonner playing a relatively big role back in the day.
The last 2 years are largely irrelevant. With the construction of this year's roster (light on forwards and 3-point shooting), they need him.
White's actually in his return window now. My guess is he'll still be out another week or so, but if he came back and played tomorrow, it would not be surprising anymore. Walker will enter his return window this weekend. I don't particularly expect him back for like another month, but he could conceivably return within a fortnight without it being a surprise. Five more games. And if they really want help, they can play Pondexter/cut him and use his spot on someone why will play, or they can use their two-way slot to bring in someone who can play. This isn't hard.There's been no news of either being on the verge of returning and knowing the way this organization operates, even if cleared before, they'll likely err towards the high end of the timeline, then be micromanaged for a while after they return.
Sure. As soon as he starts playing better, I'm sure he'll start playing better.Sometimes, if it's in the best long term interests of the team, the chicken has to come before the egg. The same thing will apply to Walker.
That's fine until he stops boxing out and lets people abuse him in the paint.Lots of players don't box out and I don't think there's anything he can do about being abused in the paint. He just doesn't have the strength and for some reason it hasn't seemed to be a point of emphasis.
He didn't have much choice. They preferred playing 2 bigs, but the freakish collective length and athleticism of the Thunder was strangling the offense and made playing 2 C's together untenable. That meant Bonner had to play spot minutes.Pop used Bonner in critical series even after Bud left. I'm not going to say you were one of the people chastising Pop for his love of Bonner, but there were many folks here who did. Pop will never be the D'Antoni-like coach you seem to want him to be, but he understands the strategic value of the three, and he and the front office invested heavily into shooting this off-season. Forbes hasn't met a shot he won't take, and everyone else on the team seems to have spent the summer practicing range shooting. Believing Pop did all that while still not wanting players to shoot seems irrational.
I don't want him to be D'Antoni and Pop doesn't get the value of the 3 or he wouldn't have allowed this organization to slip to the depths it has in that area in recent years. They can add as many specialists as they want, but it has to come from the top players. Allowing Aldridge and before him Parker to consistently space to 20, is inexplicable. So is not demanding Gay take more and DeRozan at least maintain his volume from last season.
Bryn in Forbes boxed out DeAndre Jordan last game. How the can Bertans not do that?
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Is Bertans simultaneously the worst Latvian in the league and most expensive?
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It's clear Bertans can hit a three when he gets a chance, ok. But he does not look right out there.
He blows.
Dude has to share garbage minutes with Pondexter playing PG but Chinook wants to use raw +/-
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