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    White is vey good for sure, but he was taking away from Demar’s touches as a facilitator, where he was doing great. I don’t when Gay comes back if Demar slides back to guard, Dante 3 and White to backup PG where is is also badly needed.

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    I go back and forth. I do think White can be better. Murray is overrated by many on this board. The stats say he's an elite defender, but I never really saw that. Not that it's a big deal, but the holes in his game than most of his pluses, though the rebounding would be an obvious improvement over what this squad is running most of the time. It's hard to really figure out who DeJounte is and how impactful he can be in terms of guards around the league. I want the team to keep him, even on a big-money deal. He seems like a great leader, and my projection of his ceiling has raised every year.

    The obvious solution here is him and White playing together. Those two and Walker should eat up 90 percent of the guard minutes within the next couple of years. I don't see a reason to make more player-fan controversy here. Play them all together, and if that doesn't work, let the best man/men win. Stop picking favorites without reason.
    I had always assumed the plan had always been for them to share the floor

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    I like Murray. But I’v been saying he’s the odd man out. And if we could package him with all his potentials to land a Davis or Giannis is dream pike (of course that could never happen). As much as I like White, he is badly needed coming off the bench like Manu, get the 2nd unit going. I think Demar thrives at combo guard, but needs Gay scoring to lessen the pressure. I was just concern if he negatively affects LMA’s game the previous loses. Too many tough decisions Pops need to make. GSG

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    Clearly if White, Walker and Forbes can stablish themselves on the team, with Belinelli here, it makes no sense to keep Patty Mills.
    I just don't get what would the Fo needs to accept it and what would it take to get rid of him.
    We would have to give up a young asset or take back a equally bad contract (that fits us better)

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    Just adressing the elephant in the room. And this isn't a knee jerk reaction. I started to feel the same last season. Murray's injury will end up being a blessing in disguise.

    FWIW, I like Murray and I think he will be part of our future. He just isn't better than White.
    would have been more believable if you posted this after the miami game instead of hours after white puts up a really strong performance

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    that's like saying Kyle Anderson > DeMar DeRozan.

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    Thats because you have a bias towards Murray. White is no where near his class in terms of defense, speed and most importantly toughness. He also had a much improved jump shot in preseason. You are going to look super foolish next year when Murray comes back.
    SMH. I've been posting positive things about Murray for weeks, and you've been AWOL on my quotes list. Now I post one thing you can construe to be negative, and here you are with the "You're biased against Murray" talk. Then you did that thing where you truncate a post to make it seem like it was saying something other than what it meant. The overall quote was positive toward Murray and saying that he's worth keeping on a big-money deal. None of that will sound foolish if Murray comes back and plays well. No idea why you feel the need to create this narrative that I dislike or am somehow rooting against Murray. It's tiresome, though. The level of player-fanning for White, Forbes, Murray and even Walker is getting way too high given how little history those players have. No reason why any have to be disparaged to promote others.

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    the crazy thing is ppl are saying a 22 year old murray is the odd man out because of his jumper (which no doubt will improve...ppl said the same thing about diaaron fox)...so they want to trade him for a player that could fit with DD and LMA.........WHY?????????? those two arent the future...one is a career cancer that chokes in the playoffs, the other just chokes in the playoffs in unbelievably historical manners...Murray has the heart and drive to be someone that makes HUGE plays and doesnt back down in the playoffs on top of his star potential...i would say trade the other guys ASAP whie they still have trade value and keep our dynamic youth

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    This board has an inherent and laughable need to pit players against each other in foolishly unnecessary 'vs' battles. It's borderline mental at this point.

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    Better than lefty

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    White, DeRozan, Gay, Bertans, Aldridge. That will be the lineup fighting for our lives in the playoffs if Pop isn't totally washed up, tbh.
    Well we're ed.

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    Thats because you have a bias towards Murray. White is no where near his class in terms of defense, speed and most importantly toughness. He also had a much improved jump shot in preseason. You are going to look super foolish next year when Murray comes back.
    Bull . White is better than Murray and its not even close. Unless we're talking about Selfies and self-aggrandizing. Murray has him beat there.

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    the crazy thing is ppl are saying a 22 year old murray is the odd man out because of his jumper (which no doubt will improve...ppl said the same thing about diaaron fox)...so they want to trade him for a player that could fit with DD and LMA.........WHY?????????? those two arent the future...one is a career cancer that chokes in the playoffs, the other just chokes in the playoffs in unbelievably historical manners...Murray has the heart and drive to be someone that makes HUGE plays and doesnt back down in the playoffs on top of his star potential...i would say trade the other guys ASAP whie they still have trade value and keep our dynamic youth
    Your posts have grown even more butthurt and pathetic now that Kawhi is off the team. I had hopes that you would grow up once Kawhi was gone or player fan Toronto.

    I'm Jack's dissatisfaction.

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    Two different players with different strengths..

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    This board has an inherent and laughable need to pit players against each other in foolishly unnecessary 'vs' battles. It's borderline mental at this point.
    This a very strange and very long-standing pathology of SpursTalk posters. You don’t see this weird behavior of so many fans on other teams’s fan forums. Pathetic really.

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    Forbes should be coming off the bench at PG now, to spell White, so that the team has an actual point guard rotation. BTW

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    Yeah well, that goes without saying.

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    You can shake your head all you want and I’m not picking and choosing or taking you out of context. You don’t like Murray no matter how hard you try to convince me that you are being impartial. As I said, if you think White is in Murray’s class, you can’t judge talent..period.

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    Two different players with different strengths..
    Playing the same position and fighting for minutes.

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    the crazy thing is ppl are saying a 22 year old murray is the odd man out because of his jumper (which no doubt will improve...ppl said the same thing about diaaron fox)...so they want to trade him for a player that could fit with DD and LMA.........WHY?????????? those two arent the future...one is a career cancer that chokes in the playoffs, the other just chokes in the playoffs in unbelievably historical manners...Murray has the heart and drive to be someone that makes HUGE plays and doesnt back down in the playoffs on top of his star potential...i would say trade the other guys ASAP whie they still have trade value and keep our dynamic youth
    Who is saying that?

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    I guess we're going to pretend they can't play at the same time and gin up the drama.

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    Since they're both point guards, the correct discussion is, who starts? You want to start Murray and bring White off the bench, next season, or vice versa?

    If White continues to play well this season, has he earned the start next year?

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    Playing the same position and fighting for minutes.
    In this system you know Pop is going with the guy that plays better D..

    2nd team All Defense >

    I love Derrick White thus far, but IMO he's Cory Joseph 2.0.. Not having anything to do with skillset, just a backup guard that will end up on another team as a salary cap casualty

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    In this system you know Pop is going with the guy that plays better D..

    2nd team All Defense >

    I love Derrick White thus far, but IMO he's Cory Joseph 2.0.. Not having anything to do with skillset, just a backup guard that will end up on another team as a salary cap casualty
    Except that White is pretty solid on D too. And lol at that Corey Joseph comparisson. White is already 10 times more skilled than Joseph ever was. You ae sleeping on this kid, he's really good.

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    Doesn't matter. Chances are one of the two will become a legit player and one will bust out. If even one can become a legit star, that's great considering they were both late first round draft picks.

    It also doesn't matter because you can play both at the same time. If injuries wouldn't have hit, it looks like Pop was planning on playing both Murray and White between 25 and 30 minutes per game -- and they would have played many minutes together.

    'Tis true that Spurs fans are weirdly obsessed with pitting their own players against each other.

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