NBA: Jim Jackson: Larry Bird was not transformational player

[Killakobe81]

How can you not value shooting when analyzing basketball?

Besides, it's not like Bird was a one-dimensional shooter. I'm not going to argue a guy like Reggie Miller being better than Magic, just because Reggie can shoot. That would be re ed.

My argument is that both Magic and Bird could do it all: playmake, pass, rebound, etc. The difference is that, in top of that, Bird was an elite shooter and the better defender.

Seriously, I would like to hear your reasoning behind thinking Magic was better, because untill now you haven't said . You just mentioned all-time lists and said "Magic is better. Period". You didn't provide a single argument. What did Magic do so much better than Bird that, in your opinion, made him the better player without a doubt?

I appreciate a good debate but this is not one.
I can cherry pick stats, signature moments head to head rings etc. But Bird himself said Magic was better which is enough for me and backs up my own biased eye test.

[DAF86]

I appreciate a good debate but this is not one.

Why not?

I can cherry pick stats, signature moments head to head rings etc.

Do that, tbh. I'm still waiting for you to do anything to try to prove your point.

But Bird himself said Magic was better which is enough for me and backs up my own biased eye test.

Not that it would make any difference on my perception, but link?

[HarlemHeat37]

Insinuating the feds would waste time, money and manpower following your posts on spurstalk, omg i'm in tears



Good one bro. I laughed

This might be the stupidest post in the history of this forum

[HarlemHeat37]

White American players went from 40% of the total players in the league to less than 5% in just 30 years or so..

I have serious admiration for any White American with a significant role in the league today, they've overcome the odds..I'm a big fan of guys like Re , Korver, etc..

The only successful role for a White American in the NBA today is as a specialist, yet I'm supposed to believe that Larry Bird would be a superstar? Stop even if I would suspend disbelief and give the benefit of the doubt, the best he could be is the best player on a bad team like Love or somebody like Houston's Chandler Parsons..

I'm also not factoring the likelihood that Black players in the league were forced to go easy on him, as well..Isiah Thomas and Rodman hinted at it, but couldn't elaborate further, knowing they would be blackballed from the league.

[daslicer]

This might be the stupidest post in the history of this forum

Can't say this is true since your posts on average tend to be a 1000x stupider than Bynumite.

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White American players went from 40% of the total players in the league to less than 5% in just 30 years or so..

I have serious admiration for any White American with a significant role in the league today, they've overcome the odds..I'm a big fan of guys like Re , Korver, etc..

The only successful role for a White American in the NBA today is as a specialist, yet I'm supposed to believe that Larry Bird would be a superstar? Stop even if I would suspend disbelief and give the benefit of the doubt, the best he could be is the best player on a bad team like Love or somebody like Houston's Chandler Parsons..

I'm also not factoring the likelihood that Black players in the league were forced to go easy on him, as well..Isiah Thomas and Rodman hinted at it, but couldn't elaborate further, knowing they would be blackballed from the league.

Lumping Bird with one dimensional players like Korver and Re just because they're white and american what a ty race bait troll job son

[ambchang]

Durant is pretty athletic for a guy his size and with his length... You also forgot Giannis

Yes. Giannis is very athletic and I think pretty much all of his success is due to that.

Durant is coordinated for a guy his size. Quick as well but nobody ever called dirk nowitzki athletic because of his coordination.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Jim Jackson was a truly transformational player. 's uniform transformed every season.

yep, and that got quit on his team (2005 Hornets were last place in the West) and pretty much forced a trade to Phoenix. They didn't win that year or ever anyways, so haha.

[daslicer]

White American players went from 40% of the total players in the league to less than 5% in just 30 years or so..

I have serious admiration for any White American with a significant role in the league today, they've overcome the odds..I'm a big fan of guys like Re , Korver, etc..

The only successful role for a White American in the NBA today is as a specialist, yet I'm supposed to believe that Larry Bird would be a superstar? Stop even if I would suspend disbelief and give the benefit of the doubt, the best he could be is the best player on a bad team like Love or somebody like Houston's Chandler Parsons..

I'm also not factoring the likelihood that Black players in the league were forced to go easy on him, as well..Isiah Thomas and Rodman hinted at it, but couldn't elaborate further, knowing they would be blackballed from the league.

Down below I have listed a few conspiracy theories you have created in the past. Which one is your favorite?
1. Stern threatened the livelihoods of black players in the league during the 80's and forced them to allow Larry Bird to be great.
2. Michael Jordan was behind the death of his father.
3. Shabazz Napier was angry at Lebron during the 2014 ESPY's because he has black panther roots and felt Lebron betrayed him by teaming up with the racist Dan Gilbert.

[ambchang]

Transformational means having a different aura when walking in a room. today’s nba analyst.

Shame yesterday’s scrubs are going all touchy feely to blend into today’s nba.

[ambchang]

White American players went from 40% of the total players in the league to less than 5% in just 30 years or so..

I have serious admiration for any White American with a significant role in the league today, they've overcome the odds..I'm a big fan of guys like Re , Korver, etc..

The only successful role for a White American in the NBA today is as a specialist, yet I'm supposed to believe that Larry Bird would be a superstar? Stop even if I would suspend disbelief and give the benefit of the doubt, the best he could be is the best player on a bad team like Love or somebody like Houston's Chandler Parsons..

I'm also not factoring the likelihood that Black players in the league were forced to go easy on him, as well..Isiah Thomas and Rodman hinted at it, but couldn't elaborate further, knowing they would be blackballed from the league.

Players from the virgin islands went from winning 2 MVPs in the 00s to not being in the league in the 10s. Therefore Duncan would have totally sucked in today’s nba.

[ambchang]

As for bird vs magic. Bird had the higher peak by far but magicnjust lasted longer and had a better team.

I believe bird to be the superior player over all even though I’m a magic fan, but because he played in the east, his teams were either eliminated or just beaten up by the time they get to the finals.

[Ginobilly]

Down below I have listed a few conspiracy theories you have created in the past. Which one is your favorite?
1. Stern threatened the livelihoods of black players in the league during the 80's and forced them to allow Larry Bird to be great.
2. Michael Jordan was behind the death of his father.
3. Shabazz Napier was angry at Lebron during the 2014 ESPY's because he has black panther roots and felt Lebron betrayed him by teaming up with the racist Dan Gilbert.

Its just bitter players blaming their sucking on theories because their getting beat by some "unatlhetic" white guy. Another basketball theory that makes me laugh: court was lowered for spud webb in the dunk contest he won.
Players implying he couldn't dunk on a 10ft basket, yet he dunked multiple times in game throughout his career and practice.

Incel overweight fanboi's at home questioning certain athletes athleticism. There's a reason these guys are in the nba and not at home jacking off like you'll. I've seen jj barea jump outta the gym during warmups catching alleyopps. Tp9 too.

Bird might have not been in lebrons level of athletic ability, but the guy was deceptively quick, could dunk, elite coordination, quick hands, etc. The guy wasn't a stiff like some people here make him out to be.

[Bynumite]

White American players went from 40% of the total players in the league to less than 5% in just 30 years or so..

I have serious admiration for any White American with a significant role in the league today, they've overcome the odds..I'm a big fan of guys like Re , Korver, etc..

The only successful role for a White American in the NBA today is as a specialist, yet I'm supposed to believe that Larry Bird would be a superstar? Stop even if I would suspend disbelief and give the benefit of the doubt, the best he could be is the best player on a bad team like Love or somebody like Houston's Chandler Parsons..

I'm also not factoring the likelihood that Black players in the league were forced to go easy on him, as well..Isiah Thomas and Rodman hinted at it, but couldn't elaborate further, knowing they would be blackballed from the league.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it hurt you that a cracker hillbilly is widely viewed as a top 5 player of all time in a sport dominated by blacks?

[Kyle_Kuzma]

too young to judge larry but if a cornbread like klay thompson could dominate in this era, id say bird would easily be a top 5 player in the game.

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I'll wait for Korvers and Red s similar videos when they retire since they're all basically the same player

[DMC]

Magic was clearly better than Bird but both were better than Kobe

[DMC]

I'll wait for Korvers and Red s similar videos when they retire since they're all basically the same player

You just lost your posting privileges until 2019 for that take.

[Spurtacular]

This was Jim Jackson's problem as a player. He could've been a legit player if he had shut his mouth...

[Spurtacular]

You just lost your posting privileges until 2019 for that take.

For why?

[DMC]

For why?

Putting JJ and Kyle in the same sentence as Bird just because they are all white.

[Spurtacular]

Putting JJ and Kyle in the same sentence as Bird just because they are all white.

He was making the case that they didn't belong in the same sentence with Bird.

[Corporal_Upham]

Putting JJ and Kyle in the same sentence as Bird just because they are all white.

Wow, you’re a dumb .

[DMC]

He was making the case that they didn't belong in the same sentence with Bird.

Didn't see anyone else compare them.

[DMC]

Wow, you’re a dumb .

And you created an alt just for me.