Nikola Vucevic and Spurs linked??

[r0drig0lac]

Can he play SF? Exactly.

[DPG21920]

This is so, so silly. You are taking really the only good year Vucevic has had (which happens to be a contract year) and acting like he’s got unlimited upside. He’s been in the league for 6 years and this is really the first time he’s ever been a positive offensive player.

His defense is actually a better than most would assume, but overall hes been no where close to LMA as an overall impact player.

LMA has been an all-star and all-nba player on multiple teams with different systems. Vucevic has done nothing.

[superbigtime]

Really? How many Magic games have you watched this season?

Clearly, lol.

[DAF86]

This is so, so silly. You are taking really the only good year Vucevic has had (which happens to be a contract year) and acting like he’s got unlimited upside.

Where?

He’s been in the league for 6 years and this is really the first time he’s ever been a positive offensive player.

By what metric?

[DAF86]

Clearly, lol.

I didn't make a yes or no question, tbh.

[FkLA]

He is better son, he just is.

Are you trolling?

[DAF86]

Are you trolling?

I barely troll, tbh. It is well do ented that I'm not a fan of Aldridge's game. It's just too inefficient to trully contend for a championship and after years of seeing true efficient stars I'm spoiled. I still root for him, vote him for the ASG and all that but that doesn't prevent me from speaking my mind about his game, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Where?



By what metric?

By virtually any metric you want to look at.

[DAF86]

By virtually any metric you want to look at.

I looked at most of them and they don't support your claim.

[DPG21920]

I looked at most of them and they don't support your claim.

you are lying

[DAF86]

you are lying

No, I'm not. Why would I lie? It takes no more than 2 minutes to look them up.

But, anyway, since you have no actual argument you can continue to troll away.

[DPG21920]

I gave you the reasons why. Also, isn’t Vucevic a career negative OBPM player ? Im pretty sure I remember that.

[MoSpur02]

But would we become that much better? Now in a pipe dream scenario of lma,vucevic,gay and dd together would be crazy

I'm not sure. I haven't watched too much of Vucevic to say he would make the Spurs better. Aldridge is a great player when he's aggressive and engaged on defense. However, he kind of ball hogs too much and stops the ball movement at times.

[DAF86]

I gave you the reasons why. Also, isn’t Vucevic a career negative OBPM player ? Im pretty sure I remember that.

-0.1 mainly because of his early seasons. That doesn't mean this season is the only one where he was a plus on offense. He has posted a positive OBPM on 4 of the last 5 seasons.

[DPG21920]

-0.1 mainly because of his early seasons. That doesn't mean this season is the only one where he was a plus on offense. He has posted a positive OBPM on 4 of the last 5 seasons.

let’s just forget the FIRST HALF of his career and that one year before last and focus on his best! Just like I said. He’s a career negative player on offense.

[DAF86]

let’s just forget the FIRST HALF of his career and that one year before last and focus on his best!

If you trade for Vucevic you wouldn't be getting rookie Vucevic, you would be getting the current version.

Just like I said. He’s a career negative player on offense.

No son, you said:

This is so, so silly. You are taking really the only good year Vucevic has had (which happens to be a contract year) and acting like he’s got unlimited upside. He’s been in the league for 6 years and this is really the first time he’s ever been a positive offensive player.

His defense is actually a better than most would assume, but overall hes been no where close to LMA as an overall impact player.

LMA has been an all-star and all-nba player on multiple teams with different systems. Vucevic has done nothing.

[FkLA]

I barely troll, tbh. It is well do ented that I'm not a fan of Aldridge's game. It's just too inefficient to trully contend for a championship and after years of seeing true efficient stars I'm spoiled. I still root for him, vote him for the ASG and all that but that doesn't prevent me from speaking my mind about his game, tbh.

I mean, I don't think LMA is the next Duncan or a truly elite #1 that can lead us to a le as the best player either (unless it's a truly unique situation like '14 where it's more of a team effort). But I do think he's better than freaking Vucevic. Aldridge has long list of accolades and truly dominant performances, including many in the playoffs, that Vucevic can only dream of.

[DAF86]

I mean, I don't think LMA is the next Duncan or a truly elite #1 that can lead us to a le as the best player either (unless it's a truly unique situation like '14 where it's more of a team effort). But I do think he's better than freaking Vucevic. Aldridge has long list of accolades and truly dominant performances, including many in the playoffs, that Vucevic can only dream of.

Maybe Vucevic is missing more seasons at this current level, and/or actually getting to the playoffs. But just looking at this season, there's no denying Vucevic has been better any way you want to look at it: raw stats, advanced metrics and even eye test.

[Leetonidas]

Vucevic can't even hold LMAs jock strap how is this convo even happening

[DAF86]

I love how folks would just claim "Vucevic can't even hold LMAs jock strap" and just leave it at that feeling all superior without even the feeling the need of providing some kind of evidence.

It is 2019 people, the days of going by public perception or name recognition are over. Try to put some subtance into your takes, tbh.

[FkLA]

Maybe Vucevic is missing more seasons at this current level, and/or actually getting to the playoffs. But just looking at this season, there's no denying Vucevic has been better any way you want to look at it: raw stats, advanced metrics and even eye test.

Has Vucevic been better this year than Aldridge was just last year? Aldridge didn't have a good start to the season this year so it's fair to say Vucevic has had a better 1/3rd of a season but I don't think that makes him the better player. An engaged Aldridge, that doesn't settle for inefficient fadeaways, that runs the floor to establish deep position early, that bullies players in the post is by far a better player than Vucevic, imo.

[DPG21920]

I just put substance and you dismissed half the data

[DPG21920]

Vuc never had a VORP over 3 once, including this year. LMA has several seasons over 3. But yes, after LMA’s worst first 20 games of his career compared to Vuc’s best start ever, Vuc is playing better.

Funny how you throw out years of data like that’s not the norm but won’t dismiss LMA’s worst 20 game stretch ever maybe like we should expect that (despite him turning it around massively already)

[alpha_HaZE]

I'm gonna stir some mad replays but what the heck. I would do Vucevic for Aldridge in a heartbeat.

Ha, me too! Him and Terrence Ross. But only if we have a guarantee the Vucevic wants to stay in SA.

[DAF86]

Has Vucevic been better this year than Aldridge was just last year? Aldridge didn't have a good start to the season this year so it's fair to say Vucevic has had a better 1/3rd of a season but I don't think that makes him the better player. An engaged Aldridge, that doesn't settle for inefficient fadeaways, that runs the floor to establish deep position early, that bullies players in the post is by far a better player than Vucevic, imo.

Last season Aldridge: PER: 25, OBPM: 3.0, DBPM: 0.3, BPM: 3.3, VORP: 3.3, ON/OFF: 6.8
This season Vucevic: PER: 26, OBPM: 3.5, DBPM: 2.9, BPM: 6.5, VORP: 2.3, ON/OFF: 16.9

So yeah, in terms of metrics, so far it is safe to say Vucevic is having a better year than Aldridge's last season.

But regardless of that, what I focus more on is on their respective styles of play. Statistically they put similar numbers, the difference is how they get them.

As everybody already knows here, to get that "engaged" Aldridge you speak of you need to make him the focal point of the offense. He's a rythm player that needs touches on quan y and with frecuency.

Whereas Vucevic is more of a typical European big that gets his on the flow of the offense. You can give him the ball on the post and get him to work but he can also work the pick and roll, both rolling and popping up (not only from midrange but from the 3pt line) and he can also be a spot up player. He doesn't need to always be the first option of a play to be effective.

So, while both are similar in production and neither is a true number one, one needs to be treated as a number one option to produce while the other can actually produce while being a secondary option.