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    Now that White is 1 1/2 years into his pro career and has gotten solid minutes recently I thought it’d be interesting to go back and look at his nbadraft.net evaluation. Unfortunately Draft Express is no longer around. Actually though I think nbadraft did a good job breaking down White’s game.

    https://www.nbadraft.net/players/derrick-white
    Spoiler alert: the DX profiles are still out there.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...k-White-95407/

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    He will be a plus 40% shooter from 3. Kid works too hard.

    The past two years he shot 40% ( Colorado) and 35% ( Austin & SA combined) from 3.
    White is one of the few Spurs that can shoot the 3 reliably from off the dribble. He's got James Harden potential in this area.

    Right now, he's the second best player in the Spurs. DeRozan is #1 and Aldridge is #3.

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    people were limiting White's potential ceiling because of age, but I do not really believe that age outweighs the experience against NBA level players, he's polishing his game every day, and really he could turn out to be a star in any moment
    Using age to determine development curve is usually pretty accurate. His playing D II ball for 3years kinda threw that off. Normally, if someone is still in college that long, they aren’t showing high level NBA chops, because they’ve been in a constant situation, usually one school at the D I level.

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    Using age to determine development curve is usually pretty accurate. His playing D II ball for 3years kinda threw that off. Normally, if someone is still in college that long, they aren’t showing high level NBA chops, because they’ve been in a constant situation, usually one school at the D I level.
    But if you want to grab talent that nobody is looking at, you have to ignore the standard metrics. If everyone is looking at the same metrics, then there's no chance at getting a steal. Spurs have consistently had to draft really high in the draft and need every edge they can get. Looks like the White selection paid of despite actually having a guard like Murray already locked up. The other head scratcher is Walker IV, since you already had Murray and White locked up.

    Pop said it all in last interview. He never expected White to be this good this soon.

    I suspect, he also doesn't expect Walker IV to be of any value this year.

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    White had a late growth spurt. Bones lengthen before muscle mass is added so basically he was playing with a less mature body than his peers until later, delaying relative development. He was using a 16-18 year old level body with peers playing with a physical 18-20 year old body level affecting skill development as well. Now he’s caught up.

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    Dejounte vs Derrick is the new age TP vs Manu. We are soon going to have Murray s and White s
    Yup, and Walker hasn't even emerged yet. I see it as a good problem having three young, athletic, potentially high - level guards.

    Of course, the issue will be who to retain and extend beyond their rookie scale contract but you cross that bridge later. For now, you develop, nurture and build them up (confidence) to hopefully be the (quality) successors to Ginobili and Parker....
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    At this point White looks like a better prospect than Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball, or Josh Jackson.

    Another draft steal for PATFO.

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    At this point White looks like a better prospect than Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball, or Josh Jackson.

    Another draft steal for PATFO.
    True, but his "ceiling" is still lower because of the age disparity since those three are barely old enough to drink and I believe White is heading toward his 25th year. Pretty big age gap and White would have to progress much sooner (to all - star level) to make up the difference.

    That was my only issue with sitting him last year and having him play primarily in the G League. His window to be a NBA contributor or athlete is shortened because of his "advanced" age coming out of college. That also explains why so few upperclassmen are drafted in the lottery or 1st round.

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    True, but his "ceiling" is still lower because of the age disparity since those three are barely old enough to drink and I believe White is heading toward his 25th year. Pretty big age gap and White would have to progress much sooner (to all - star level) to make up the difference.

    That was my only issue with sitting him last year and having him play primarily in the G League. His window to be a NBA contributor or athlete is shortened because of his "advanced" age coming out of college. That also explains why so few upperclassmen are drafted in the lottery or 1st round.
    A year in the G league under the Spurs system is very beneficial. Specially for a Spurs pg. Spurs dont draft lottery picks where they are thrust into a season of rebuilding. Playoff teams normally aren't playing their rookies.

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    On 2k19, Pondexter, Cunningham, an Walker is rated higher than White... How is this!?! Apparently 2k doesn't watch basketball.

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    I'm officially on the White bandwagon

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    A year in the G league under the Spurs system is very beneficial. Specially for a Spurs pg. Spurs dont draft lottery picks where they are thrust into a season of rebuilding. Playoff teams normally aren't playing their rookies.
    Takes time to develop the right habits for the NBA game. White need to learn that NBA players are more athletic and faster and he needed to adjust his game to this fact. The moves that worked in college aren't the moves that translate into the NBA.

    There's the added need also to become stronger. Forbes did that in the off season and I suspect White did the same (it doesn't show, but he may have been considerably weaker coming out of college).

    Now White is finally figuring it out! Which is great and he couldn't have done this without first being in the G-league.

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    He’s a better defensive version of Eric Gordon.

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    He’s a better defensive version of Eric Gordon.
    Don't think he is as good of a scorer as Gordon quite yet, but not a terrible comparison. Think he is a little taller than Gordan as well no?

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    Don't think he is as good of a scorer as Gordon quite yet, but not a terrible comparison. Think he is a little taller than Gordan as well no?
    Does Gordon play PG? I thought he was more like a bigger Forbes like player.

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    On 2k19, Pondexter, Cunningham, an Walker is rated higher than White... How is this!?! Apparently 2k doesn't watch basketball.
    I mean they definitely aren't very good at ratings, but I'm assuming the next time there's an update they'll move White to like a 74 or so. I think he's more of like a 77-78 right now but usually it takes an extra update or two to get it right.

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    I like my original assessment he is more like a Jeremy Lin. I thought he would be a poor man's version but it looks like we have basically a Jeremy Lin. Hope he stays healthy.

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    I mean they definitely aren't very good at ratings, but I'm assuming the next time there's an update they'll move White to like a 74 or so. I think he's more of like a 77-78 right now but usually it takes an extra update or two to get it right.
    2k actually updated the rosters and respected Bertans and Poeltl. Poeltl is a 78 and Bertans is 77 but Whites still a 70 I think. Not sure when the last update was though.

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    The Spurs on 2k19 is great to use. Let White push the pace or DDR shoot midrange shots in the half court.

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    I like my original assessment he is more like a Jeremy Lin. I thought he would be a poor man's version but it looks like we have basically a Jeremy Lin. Hope he stays healthy.
    Jeremy Lin is one of the worst defensive players ever.

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    Jeremy Lin is one of the worst defensive players ever.
    Wouldn't call him the worst by any stretch. His injuries have taken a toll. Similar playing styles while White is definitely the better defender. Lin to me has the slight edge on offensive because he is still bigger and stronger than White.

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    Wouldn't call him the worst by any stretch. His injuries have taken a toll. Similar playing styles while White is definitely the better defender. Lin to me has the slight edge on offensive because he is still bigger and stronger than White.
    Jeremy is 6’3” 200, so shorter and lighter.

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    Fully and obviously expect him to cool off, but his stroke looks so good from midrange. And he's showing a knack to get wide open on those shots. He's also super fluid moving forward to the basket. Deceptively lengthy and swift in his stride.

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    Jeremy is 6’3” 200, so shorter and lighter.
    fkn scrub who pad his stats in empty minutes...made a career out for himself doing that ...thanks to clowns like enrique who plays no defense and to busy trading h2h baskets

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