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And Pau will get playing time over whom from the current rotation?
Nando DeColo to the Raptors for Austin Daye. Nando requested a trade. Spurs won a championship that year.
And Pau will get playing time over whom from the current rotation?
A little bit from everybody who plays C, PF or SF. But the Details how it has to or will work is on pop.
If it were for me, i wouldnt play him at all, because you dont change a winning team. But i am sure, that he somehow will get his minutes.
Pop probably used white guilt on him. LMAO!!!!
A team will take on Gasol if they feel they can dump a more expensive contract or can get a pick. The only thing the Spurs need is a 3 and d backup. Not a whole lot of players match up salary wise that fits that bill. I think they will keep Gasol as insurance in case a big goes down. He will be valuable next year as an expiring contract. It really is not about talent. It is about teams making salary adjustments.
Let's just be clear: The only way SA should trade Pau is if one of the follow is true:
1) The team finds a way to substantially improve their roster this season
2) Pau demands a trade, and the team finds a way to accommodate that without making themselves worse this season or in the future.
That's it. There's no making a deal just to balance out the roster. There's no hurting yourself just because you don't want to hurt Gasol's feelings. You try to make a run, or you stay the course. There's zero reason to shuffle the decks with the way this team is going right now. Pau has much more value as depth or as a mentor to Poeltl, Eubanks and Metu than a wing who wouldn't be in the rotation does.
Tbh, I feel like Pau is a non-issue now. He's mostly done being a big factor on the court, almost impossible to trade this year, and serves mostly as insurance just in case LMA or Poetlt get hurt. He could be a chip in a trade next year as an expiring contract, or possibly stretched, but otherwise is a savvy old vet in the twilight of his impressive career. I don't see anything to get too riled up about.
I'm confident the Bucks would do Snell and Smith (eligible February 6th) for Gasol, mainly because of the longterm savings they would reap. Middleton, Bledsoe, Lopez and Brogdon (restricted), are all free agents after this season and Brown is basically an inexpensive Snell replacement.
The problem with Snell is, he physically can't guard the elite big wings and the last thing this team needs, is a middling, overpaid veteran blocking/jostling with youth for minutes the next two seasons.
I've discussed it ad nauseam, but I could see something like Johnson, Leuer and Ellenson (with the Pistons paying a third team to take him) for Gasol and a 2nd.
At this point I would be happy if Pau plays the nephew card for the whole year.
What a bad mistake! Sometimes you just have to ignore your ego!
Im really hoping they can trade Pau to BKY for Carroll. I would be willing to throw in a 2nd round pick. BKY has a ton of cap space next year so eating Pau’s 6.7M to obtain a 2nd pick is not a big deal and IMO they have room for him on their roster for some playing time/leadership.
It's smart to keep Pau, a HOFer pro and locker room good guy, as well as big man insurance. Unless a great trade can be made. besides, Spurs may be demonized for trading Pau.
I believe teams can pay up to $3.5M for 2nd round picks, so why would the Nets 1) Cut into their max cap space (even though no max player is expected to sign with them) and 2) pay more than double that (when factoring in the difference between Gasol's and Carroll's remaining salary for this season)? Besides, the Spurs' 2nd is looking less appealing by the game and though I'm still skeptical of the defense, the offense seems relatively sustainable.
I don't think Brooklyn would take on a gimpy geezer with only a second rounder attached. I think it would cost a 1st.
No one will trade for an old big with a stress fracture unless he reestablishes himself by playing.
If the Spurs were going to trade him, they'd probably be playing him.
You answered your own questions. They have so much cap space that even taking on Pau’s money would not prevent them from signing a max player (not that it’s even expected they will). While a team can pay 3.5M for a pick that is different than obtaining a pick via trade with no money going out. They are going to have to hit th salary floor anyways and pay the money so why not get a 2nd round pick for a floor you have to hit anyways.
There is a huge difference in getting a pick by taking on salary you need (zero cost) and paying 3.5M (actual cost).
As big man insurance, or even with 10-15 minutes a game, Pau is still a plus player, and a great mentor for a guy like Poetl. We're lucky to have Pau and Tim(at practice) mentoring these young guys.
Maybe so, but the new going rate for Carroll types seems to be 2 2nds and as I've said ad nauseam, Carroll is both gimpy and physically incapable of defending James and that was when he was spry.
Sure, he'd provide more depth and balance the roster better (they could always sign some minimal 3rd string center, like Zeller or whoever, to take Pondexter's roster spot), but in his current state, I'm not sure he's actually better than Cunningham.
Not saying I wouldn't do it, but I don't think he'd make the marked difference many seem to believe.
People underrate Gasol independently of his contract. Dude's much better than Carroll. I'm not sure that Brooklyn needs a center. But they are currently in the playoff race, so they could see an upgrade in talent worth some cap space, though I think they're as likely to look for a way to get more as they are to use some of what they have to get assets.
Sure. That’s fine. I’m saying it’s worth Gasol/2nd round pick to find out. It’s not like Gasol will be making a huge impact. That’s not hating on Pau either, he’s just being squeezed out with how SA is playing and the emergence of Poeltl.
Beyond that, the fact that SA could wipe 6.7M off the books next year would be an extra bonus hence why they send the pick.
BKY isn’t worried about salary, probably could use Gasol over Carroll and gets a pick for that as well? It’s a good deal for BKY.
If someone is willing to give up an early 2nd or late 1st rounder for him I'm good with that.
He is, but that's irrelevant. You don't prioritize 3rd center over a wing who could serve as the primary defender against many of the best players in the world.
People seem to think this is the old days, when you needed as much big depth as possible, but those days are over. You just need a competent 3rd body, which they can easily find either in the buyout market or off the scrap heap.
Gasol would more than likely be bought out by the Nets. If they did this, it would be mainly for the draft compensation. They also have an overload looming on the perimeter when LeVert returns.
I think it is too, but again, I think it takes multiple 2nds (not that the Spurs should let a second projected 50ish pick deter them, if they're so inclined).
First off, yes you do when the guy you're trying to pimp is Stan Johnson.
Second, it's not irrelevant at all, and had you actually read my post, you'd understand that. I wasn't saying that to argue against trading him. I said it because folks are acting like every GM thinks the same about Gasol as they do. I don't believe that for a second. Gasol independent of money is a guy who can help a team. Just because he's not in SA's (or maybe Brooklyn's) rotation doesn't mean he wouldn't be in someone else's.
Third, you need center depth when your best big is old and somewhat overworked, your second-best big already showed he could have stretches of ineffective play and literally no one else on the roster can play the five in a rotational capacity. It's not the biggest need in the world, but it's better than some bad wing who isn't better than Gay or Cun at guarding James.
Fourth, the team isn't even trying to fill this SF hole. They've gone away from size by benching Cun and not even giving Pon run. They have Moore lying fallow in Austin. It would be one thing if this were say 2010 when the team was constantly cycling in wings to look for someone who sticks. But right now, they seem to want a rotation without such a player. I'm all for depth and a trade for an impact player, but they aren't desperate just because some fans want them to be.
Man, the collective hard-on ST posters have for mediocre small forwards could lift a truck.
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