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This, except remove the last period and add the phrase "for about a week, then they can trade with with no restrictions (except not back to Philly)." to the end.
Whose plan?
This, except remove the last period and add the phrase "for about a week, then they can trade with with no restrictions (except not back to Philly)." to the end.
Minnesota really screwed up when they maxed out Andrew Wiggins. His VORP and BPM had been negative all five years of his career.
This year his ORtg/DRtg is 100/114 for a net -14. That's almost unheard of amongst star players. Usually a nearly equal ORtg/DRtg is a warning sign.
I don't think anyone believes Wiggins is a max player. The real question is whether or not he's even an average player.
https://www.basketball-reference.com...wiggian01.html
Last edited by R. DeMurre; 01-06-2019 at 11:30 PM.
Mine . . . nah, it's just logical. If all 3 of Murray, White and Walker develop into the types of players they project to be, that will be their roles.
White alongside DeRozan and Murray makes no sense, since it turns him into a glorified spot up shooter and leaves the bench without a lead play maker. Though they're excelling without one now, they'll be even better with him joining them next season.
"For about a week"... ? Then I guess I misunderstand the rule. Covington has been in Minny for more than a week. He still cannot be sent to another team with any other Tpup - can he? Or are you saying "not until a certain date in about a week"?
If rebuilding is their plan, probably Belli+Cunningham is preferable (only 5.8m after this year) to taking Pattys long term money, no? Send Toronto’s pick and Forbes as the assets.
My plan is different, even though it makes no sense.
I do not think Mills is necessarily seen as a liability. He has value to a team in need of outside shooting. He and a first is pretty good value - unless they do plan to really rebuild.
But I don't quite understand the rest of your post. Are you suggesting alternative trades? One: Belli + Dante; or alternatively, Two: Forbes + Toronto's pick? I don't think Two will match salaries. But perhaps I misunderstand your suggestion.
The restriction only last two months, and it'll be two months some time within the next week. After that, none of that stuff will apply. That could be as early as 1/9, but it could be 1/10 or 1/11, depending on when the trade was actually finalized.
Sorry, I was confusing. I suggested Belli + Dante to essentially match salaries for Covington, and then the “assets” peice to the same trade (to entice Minni) could be Raps pick and Forbes if the 30th pick alone isn’t good enough for them. I do like Forbes, but the way he’s playing now Minni might see him as a cheaper version of Mills anyway.
Oh yeah, thanks.
that’s what I think..we don’t need murray and white to start..but white Batter start alongside derozan..then Murray off the bench
Interesting. Sending Pau out would be preferable, but spurs would likely have to take back another player too like a Bayless.
Okay. Might work. Minny would be planning on waiving a couple of guys post-trade, though. Maybe Cunningham and one of their own scrubs. So the trade would essentially be Forbes, Marco and a 1st for Covington. I am not sure how I would evaluate that deal from either side. (Unlike most ST posters, I actually like Forbes.) Getting rid of 2 of our 3-point guys while keeping Patty doesn't thrill me. But I am not Pop.
We not doing any trades might as well just focus on 2019 draft which SF do you want to get drafted??
Do y’all think the spurs trade their 2 first round picks and try to move up?
If Covington is on the table for either Gasol or Mills I would be willing to add the Toronto pick and the Spurs 2020 first rounder. Getting Covington for one of them gets us back to contender status
I agree.
Why should minny do such a ty Trade with spurs?
It’s like some of y’all are forgetting that Minnesota is in the WEST.. They definitely wouldn’t want to trade to another western conference team unless it’s last resort
The assumption is that Minny is tanking and looking to acquire future assets. No indication of that and I think the firing of Thibs signals the opposite, they believe they’re underachieving, Thibs is unpopular and disruptive to team chemistry and brining in someone else in will make them a better team, improve their playoff chances. Spurs would have to trade assets that would improve the Pups chances this year even with subtracting Covington. Doubt anyone here is willing to trade Derozan or White. The knucklehead Duncan2k5 would trade Aldridge. A few would trade Murray or Walker but even that wouldn’t move the trade needle as those would be longer term moves.
We’re in the time of season where tens thousands of words will be splashed on Spurstalk about trades up until the trade deadline where nothing happens followed by a week or two of grousing.
If a Cov trade does happen, it'd likely be much closer to the deadline. By then, we may see some real separation in the West. The Spurs don't really seem to need another SF to win regular-season games, so there's no real urgency on their part either. They can afford to see what the market bears out before potentially throwing assets at the issue. Still, I'd've put a call in about Cov, and I'd be refreshing my call log.
Problem with expecting Minny to make a move based on tanking is that the trade deadline is only a month away and the way the West is going the only team that will likely feel they’re out of it are the Suns.
Interesting post on rumor section of Hoopshype that one of the main reasons Thibs was fired was Pups are in a critical period for season ticket sales, sales are abysmal, they’re 29th in the league in attendance and Thibs was extremely unpopular with the fans. Tanking isn’t the way to improve season ticket sales.
I'm not sure that they are tanking. Wolves' FO just gave the fans what they wanted...Thibs' head on a plate.
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