Sad reality of the shutdown

[spurraider21]

Still don't see the word "should" in there...

I said they need to. It's not even synonymous with "should".

More slight of hand by 2cents

just like when you said bribery but didnt say bribed

[Pavlov]

just like when you said bribery but didnt say bribed

DMC desperately wants everyone to know he's an NPC and will fight anyone who says he has an opinion.

[Blake]

We've established you're not very bright.

Dems already know Trump isn't on their side so they are pissed at him just for being in office. However the people they voted for have the lever to offer relief and refuse to use it.

Lol list who the "we" are in "we've".

The rest of that is ty speculation that you're making up.

[Blake]

Which means I should be cheating on you about now.

After which I put you down

[Blake]

Still don't see the word "should" in there...

I said they need to. It's not even synonymous with "should".

More slight of hand by 2cents

"should" absolutely is a synonym of "need".

Tell me again how dumb I am.

[Pavlov]

"should" absolutely is a synonym of "need".

Tell me again how dumb I am.

THEY NEED TO COMPROMISE BUT THEY SHOULDN'T I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING THAT MEANS ANYTHING TAKE IT BACK UR GAY

[Spurminator]

I said they need to. It's not even synonymous with "should".

[Chinook]

And I'm saying caving to the President hurts both sides more.

Of course YOU'RE saying that. But you have one vote, like everyone else.

[Spurminator]

Of course YOU'RE saying that. But you have one vote, like everyone else.

I'm not talking about how I vote, I'm talking about the relevance of the Legislative branch.

[spurraider21]

I'm not talking about how I vote, I'm talking about the relevance of the Legislative branch.

iirc he said he doesn't need to be educated

[Chinook]

So what do you propose the Dems do here?

I think they need to be on the ground trying to organize the unemployed people. They can totally do things like promote places that are hiring temporary employees. At least some of the departments that are in furlough have union representation. Connecting with them either to call town-hall meetings. If there are foundations that can help either by giving food (in cases where that helps) or ride-sharing, whatever. Some banks have been offering to make payments for furloughed employees. Politicians doing whatever they can to call attention to these banks and pressure others to follow suit would be helpful. Some employees don't even know they can apply for unemployment. They can -- I knew folks who did it last shutdown and they got their checks (though they had to pay it back once their reimbursements came through).

That's sort of shatter-shot. The point is that there's actually a lot politicians can do if they treat this as a crisis rather than a leverage tool. Using their platform to promote solutions, temporary as they would be, would go a long way to establishing they're on the people's side. It's one thing not to turn over the government to Trump. It's another to act as if there's nothing they can do for the people hurt by the shut down.

[Chinook]

I'm not talking about how I vote, I'm talking about the relevance of the Legislative branch.

Yes. I know. FFS. But that's not the point. The average voter doesn't care about that over their own financial well-being. You keep trying to act like if you can just win this debate, everyone will vote with you. But that's not how elections work. Optics and manipulation matter much more than well-reasoned arguments. You aren't going to have a ton of success telling some poor sap, "Sorry about your mortgage, but we can't let Trump override Congress." Utilitarian arguments almost always fail to persuade, because no one really believes in the Veil of Ignorance.

[clambake]

I think they need to be on the ground trying to organize the unemployed people. They can totally do things like promote places that are hiring temporary employees. At least some of the departments that are in furlough have union representation. Connecting with them either to call town-hall meetings. If there are foundations that can help either by giving food (in cases where that helps) or ride-sharing, whatever. Some banks have been offering to make payments for furloughed employees. Politicians doing whatever they can to call attention to these banks and pressure others to follow suit would be helpful. Some employees don't even know they can apply for unemployment. They can -- I knew folks who did it last shutdown and they got their checks (though they had to pay it back once their reimbursements came through).

That's sort of shatter-shot. The point is that there's actually a lot politicians can do if they treat this as a crisis rather than a leverage tool. Using their platform to promote solutions, temporary as they would be, would go a long way to establishing they're on the people's side. It's one thing not to turn over the government to Trump. It's another to act as if there's nothing they can do for the people hurt by the shut down.

the dems should do this when a republican shuts down the govt.?

[Chinook]

the dems should do this when a republican shuts down the govt.?

Yes.

[DMC]

just like when you said bribery but didnt say bribed

Spurraider21 attempts to point out hypocrisy online, take 251... and action.

[clambake]

Yes.

the republicans shouldn't do this?

[DMC]

I thought you folks were supposed to be educated.

If I say "you need flour to make bread" is that the same as saying "you should make bread" or "You should have flour"?

No

Therefore saying the dems need to do action A to get outcome B isn't the same as saying dems should do action A or that the dems should want to get outcome B.

Too many of you don't know how to debate properly, you "need" to change people's words to have something to argue against. Then you claim it means the same thing. Rinse and repeat.

Then the lapdogs arrive ( o Philo )

[DMC]

Lol list who the "we" are in "we've".

The rest of that is ty speculation that you're making up.

Everyone here that knows you're at a whole nother level you cuck

[DMC]

iirc he said he doesn't need to be educated

So he said he shouldn't be educated?

[Blake]

So he said he shouldn't be educated?

You should/need to be educated

[Blake]

Everyone here that knows you're at a whole nother level you cuck

Lol derpspeak.

[DMC]

Lol list who the "we" are in "we've".

The rest of that is ty speculation that you're making up.

After which I put you down

"should" absolutely is a synonym of "need".

Tell me again how dumb I am.

THEY NEED TO COMPROMISE BUT THEY SHOULDN'T I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING THAT MEANS ANYTHING TAKE IT BACK UR GAY

DMC desperately wants everyone to know he's an NPC and will fight anyone who says he has an opinion.

The melting down of Chumpy and Lappy

[DMC]

You should/need to be educated

Then it's good that I am. You still a homemaker?

[DMC]

Lol derpspeak.

That was AaronY who pegged you with that. You cannot even carry your own state

[Spurminator]

I thought you folks were supposed to be educated.

If I say "you need flour to make bread" is that the same as saying "you should make bread" or "You should have flour"?

No

This is not an example consistent with your usage of "need to."

Your quote: If the dems want to have a chance in 2020 they need to learn the art of compromise...

Alternate quote, without changing the meaning: If the dems want to have a chance in 2020 they should learn the art of compromise...

The appropriate parallel would be changing "You need to use flour to make bread" to "You should use flour to make bread." Which works fine. You cannot always replace "should" with "need to," so they're not perfect synonyms in every example. But you can almost always replace "need to" with "should." And you definitely can when one of them is used the way you used it.

Too many of you don't know how to debate properly, you "need" to change people's words to have something to argue against. Then you claim it means the same thing. Rinse and repeat.

That does often happen, but not in this instance. Anyway, I didn't enter the debate until semantics were already brought up.