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    The GOP used the HPSCI as a soapbox to pillory the FBI and the investigation against the Trump campaign.

    Now that the shoe's on the other foot, they want the soapbox removed.

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    This assertion is incorrect. The main thing to prove is whether he knew about it or not. Because then that becomes a coverup.
    Nope.

    If he did not know it was illegal there is no crime in his mind to coverup.

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    This article is a great synopsis of Trash and his mafiya's game

    Trash and ...

    Trump advisers lied over and over again, Mueller says.

    The question is, why?

    They lied to the public for months before Donald Trump was elected — and then repeatedly after he took office.

    They lied to Congress as lawmakers sought to investigate Russia’s attack on American democracy in 2016.

    And they lied to the FBI, even when they knew lying was a crime.

    In indictments and plea agreements unveiled over the last 20 months,

    special counsel Robert S.

    Mueller III has shown over and over again that some of President Trump’s closest friends and advisers have lied about Russia and related issues.

    On Friday, Mueller laid out a new allegation: that longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone lied to Congress and obstructed its probe of Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign.

    Trump and his associates have dismissed the serial deception as a sideshow that has little to do with the central question of the Mueller investigation:

    whether his campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy with Russia.

    eg Rudolph W. Giuliani scoffed, “Another false-statement case? God almighty.”

    While Mueller has not accused any American of criminally coordinating with Russia,

    the lies
    meticulously unspooled by his prosecutors over 20 months have not been mere quibbles.

    various falsehoods by Trump advisers that masked efforts by people in his orbit to develop inroads with Russia and leverage that country’s hacking of Democratic emails.

    Trump’s

    former
    campaign chairman,

    deputy campaign manager,

    former national security adviser,

    personal lawyer and a

    campaign foreign policy adviser

    have all been accused of lying to investigators exploring Russia activity.

    Stone, prosecutors said he lied to Congress about his efforts to learn about WikiLeaks’s plans in 2016 as the group was publishing Democratic emails allegedly stolen by Russian operatives.

    Legal experts noted that the alleged lies are significant in their own right.

    “Time and time again, elected officials and government officials have exhibited

    a belief they simply can say what they want in a high-profile investigation, and do so with impunity,”

    prosecutors lay out efforts by both Stone and Trump campaign officials to learn more about what WikiLeaks had in its cache in the summer of 2016 —

    actions that occurred after Russia had been fingered as a likely culprit behind the theft of the Democratic Party emails that June.

    the substance of the lies and alleged false statements do ented by Mueller paint a broad picture with serious implications.

    “In my view, those lies — what was lied about and under what condition the lies were told —

    contribute to a counterintelligence pattern that has begun to emerge pointing

    to senior members of the Trump team being involved with the Russians,

    “We’ve got to be looking beyond who gets a parking ticket or even a few years in prison,” he said.

    “What about the bigger picture? This was Russia, attacking the United States.”


    The deception by Trump advisers that has led to guilty pleas so far does have a common throughline:

    Much of it centers on their interactions about Russia.

    “at the end of the day, it looks like people are making independent, individual choices that are landing them in hot water.

    I think it’s the kind of thing that the Mueller probe doesn’t want to ignore . . . but the indictments themselves aren’t moving the case forward.” ( so far )

    people around Trump lied to investigators because

    they were trying to make sure their version of events lined up with lies the president was telling to the American people.

    “They all conspired,” he said, “against themselves.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...nl_most&wpmm=1

    All LIES about their connections, their interactions with Russia, over and over and over.


    Eventually - even the majority of the American people will notice one huge thing happen right before their very eyes:

    The TACTICS that Trump team and the GOP and their supporters all have in common?

    ARE RUSSIAN TACTICS - of never admitting the truth, always denying and deflecting and always lying more with impunity - no matter what developments, what evidence - what proof.

    Russia taught these thugs these tactics and this is what they and 33% of the population has become.
    Just another Russia propaganda division.

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    If he did not know it was illegal there is no crime in his mind to coverup.


    If he thought there were no crime, why did he LIE and COVERUP?

    My guess is that he is too self-absorbed, stupid, ignorant, naive to know the law, and that his ty The Best People informed him of Wikileaks Dem info, and he said "sure, go ahead let's use it".

    We also have DOC that DJTJr would have "loved" to have dirt on Hillary from a Russian agent, about which Trash dictated a LIE about "adoption". Why did he lie?

    If Trash were honest and good faith, early on he could have said "Sorry, I'm too ing stupid to be President, didn't know colluding with Russians was illegal to throw the Pres election to me. Please forgive me"

    Trash knew WTF was going on, knew it was illegal, knew in secret conversations with BFF Pootin what anti-Hillary, anti-America adversary Pootin wanted him to do.

    Trash and his mafiya have lied in every direction, to every audience, non-stop, repeatedly. WHY?

    Last edited by boutons_deux; 01-27-2019 at 02:04 PM.

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    Nope.

    If he did not know it was illegal there is no crime in his mind to coverup.
    Ignorance of the law -

    you ought to try that someday - tell the cops you didn't KNOW it was illegal!


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    Now you’ve moved on to trust what’s in his heart. You’re a regular kellyanne

    you do realize the rule of law doesn’t give one if you’re ignorant of it, right?

    defininitely not a trump shielder here
    So how is the Stormy Daniels thing going?
    Was this illegal?
    Then wthef did Donald clearly want it to go away?

    Boots, you got it to?

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    Ignorance of the law -

    you ought to try that someday - tell the cops you didn't KNOW it was illegal!

    Thats is absolutely a horrible comparison.
    If you fckn dont believe Trump has a way out by not knowing you dont understand this situation.
    which you dont, because you are a blind homer.

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    That you’re trying to pass on a fake news narrative, only when it’s against trump. But there is a propaganda wing for the administration that spends 24 hours a day trying to run a narrative for the stupids to not believe what their eyes see and ears hear, and you say nothing about that.

    A bull throw away disclaimer trying to exonerate you, and mask your truth, is as worthless as ducks 10 times over.
    so, still no substantive gripes with the Illingsworth article.

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    Bonnerific
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    Probably has nothing to do with schiff stating the committee will release all of the testimony they’ve heard to mueller, right?

    But, hey, both sides
    God, you're dense.

    I just said the GOP wants to remove the soapbox because they don't set the agenda in this session.

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    Jesus...

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    No genius. The soapbox was nunes running to the White House to report testimony to the administration
    You're trippin. I just said the GOP used the HPSCI as a soapbox for two years. Did you think I was referring to someone beside Nunes?



    this is interfering with a federal investigation
    Could be. I wonder how one would get standing to force the GOP to staff a committee, let alone to charge it with obstruction, but sure, that might be colorable.

    I tend to doubt Mueller is relying on the US Congress for information -- he already has all the tools of counterintelligence at his disposal. His unbroken run of convictions would seem to indicate he had all of his targets dead to rights before he ever questioned them.

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    So you identify with the author, do you?
    personally, no

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    This stupid - asks for evidence - Swallwell SPOONFEEDS the - and she continues right along in her Flintstones trance saying "yabba-dabba-doo" I see no evidence.

    This is the CULT.

    Her eyes and ears heard the evidence Swallwell spoonfed her - evidence in plain sight -

    "Russia commits a crime - the president says to the Russians and to the in' world - COMMIT MORE CRIMES FOR US"

    and the - just DID NOT REGISTER THAT EVIDENCE.

    Thanks for posting Darrin - I'm sure you didn't mean to post truth!



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    So how is the Stormy Daniels thing going?
    Was this illegal?
    Then wthef did Donald clearly want it to go away?

    Boots, you got it to?
    Michael Cohen is going to prison for this crime - and the COURT has confirmed that Cohen was DIRECTED to commit this crime - by your CULT DADDY -
    who is an unindicted co-conspirator in this FELONY.

    God in' damn you cult morons are stupid as .

    The "stormy daniels thing" is a confirmed FELONY and Cohen and Trump are the FELONS - here - except Trump is temporarily protected by the very presidency he stole - which will not protect him forever.

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    Thats is absolutely a horrible comparison.
    If you fckn dont believe Trump has a way out by not knowing you dont understand this situation.
    which you dont, because you are a blind homer.
    Your stupidity in un inlimited.

    Ignorance of the law is NOT A DEFENSE in the USA. Read the law books, the Penal code.

    you are a stupid russian.

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    so, still no substantive gripes with the Illingsworth article.
    still no answer about why you defend a president who sided with an enemy AFTER said enemy attacked the USA.

    So - since no answer - I will conclude - either;

    a) you are on russia's side and support the president who is on russia's side in this attack - for no reason other than you are on russia's side

    b) you are a full-fledged cult member

    c) you hate america and approve of the USA president destroying it by taking the enemy's side


    d) there can be no other answer since the FACTS are what they are - Russia attacked- Trump denied it - then sided with Russia - and from that point your support of trump continued.

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    still no answer about why you defend a president who sided with an enemy AFTER said enemy attacked the USA.

    So - since no answer - I will conclude - either;

    a) you are on russia's side and support the president who is on russia's side in this attack - for no reason other than you are on russia's side

    b) you are a full-fledged cult member

    c) you hate america and approve of the USA president destroying it by taking the enemy's side


    d) there can be no other answer since the FACTS are what they are - Russia attacked- Trump denied it - then sided with Russia - and from that point your support of trump continued.
    I'm sorry, when did I defend Trump?

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    Your stupidity in un inlimited.

    Ignorance of the law is NOT A DEFENSE in the USA. Read the law books, the Penal code.

    you are a stupid russian.
    It most certainly is when the law is not even clear to experts cabbage for brains.
    What is the law? What is collusion? What law do we know Trump broke that will hold up in a court after he is impeached?

    Oh look Im a Russian now to be burned at the stake by the counter revolution.
    This sounds so familiar in history. The dangers of the backlash. Anyone for a French Revolution here. Im told it was fun.
    Last edited by pgardn; 01-27-2019 at 02:53 PM.

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    But you’re citing an wannabe anarchist self described libertarian (which is nothing more than piece of lying republican), to confirm your biases.

    So her agenda, and the movement from which her agenda stems from favors trump because he’s destroying norms. But that’s what you agree with? Of course you do
    so, still no factual dispute, just a literary interpretation of me, based partly on mind-reading, part on conjecture.

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    This stupid - asks for evidence - Swallwell SPOONFEEDS the - and she continues right along in her Flintstones trance saying "yabba-dabba-doo" I see no evidence.

    This is the CULT.

    Her eyes and ears heard the evidence Swallwell spoonfed her - evidence in plain sight -

    "Russia commits a crime - the president says to the Russians and to the in' world - COMMIT MORE CRIMES FOR US"

    and the - just DID NOT REGISTER THAT EVIDENCE.

    Thanks for posting Darrin - I'm sure you didn't mean to post truth!


    This is evidence that shows the investigation needs to go forward, this is not evidence that will get him prosecuted as guilty as our sitting president.
    The extreme blue team turning on that misogyny when frustrated by a female. Something else in common with Chris and derp.
    I like that show. The lady does a good job, even if conservative. She good on followup knows her stuff.

    Ohhhh and on PBS! Darrin and Chris not gonna like that.

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    Nope.

    If he did not know it was illegal there is no crime in his mind to coverup.
    No sir. That’s not how that works. If he didn’t know it was illegal and now he does and continues to deny it THAT is the coverup.

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    baseline bum

    The choices are too great to pick just one

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    But you’re citing an wannabe anarchist self described libertarian (which is nothing more than piece of lying republican), to confirm your biases.

    So her agenda, and the movement from which her agenda stems from favors trump because he’s destroying norms. But that’s what you agree with? Of course you do
    same reply as four posts up.

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