Ouch. I remember that one. One of Larry Brown's great ideas.
Who says I advocated strictly a draft only rebuild? But with a boatload of picks and young players that makes it easier to make trades in the future, and to attact FAs who want to come to a young and upcoming team.
My thread was simply to point out that trading a top 5 player for a player with a horrible contract, that plays no defense, cannot shoot a 3, suffers with bouts of depression and was benched by his team in the playoffs for choking.....is the worst trade this franchise has ever made.
Ouch. I remember that one. One of Larry Brown's great ideas.
Atlanta Doncic to Mavs for Trae. The guy will be All-Star for the next 15 years. Future HOF. Bad enough he was selected 3rd overall, when Atlanta got him they traded him. Dumb.
Yes this one might get down as the dumbest pick after Milicic over Melo, Bosh and Wade
(Markell is up there too)
that was the best offer..... we are not sure about the clippers offer and the lakers did not offer much
it was way better than let kawhi go next summer
I still like we haven't deliver Nephew's ass to LA like his uncle requested (same about Pels not trading AD to the Lakers).
I'm not so sure Ingram and Kuzma are "bright future" or even "great trade assets". I don't like them at all.
And we've no idea about Clippers real offers. Harris who's a free agent after the season? That's laughable.
Spurs decided to take chances on a flawed but trying All-Star. So far not working great, he's too bad at D and doesn't shoot 3s. But it was an understandable gamble considering the cir stances.
But I also didn't like that we throwed in Danny instead of Gasol even if we weren't going to resign him anyway.
Trae will be an all star too
easily, any difference between them will decrease each year (I bet that the Trae's ceiling will be greater than that of Luka), it will be funny to follow the change of general opinion about this trade over the years
Over the last month the trade is looking even worse than up front. I think that is due to DDR recent play. I'm not sure- but think something is wrong at least physically with him.I don't think it's possible to play worse in the playoffs than he did today. The man shot 5-19 after all
Kawhi screwed us over though. He torpedoed his trade value to the point where the 76ers wouldn't even offer Fultz to us! The only good trade offered was supposedly the Clipper trade but A) nobody actually knows if that was really offered and B) nobody really expected Harris to be this good this year.
Lakers were offering only Ingram and everything you hate about DDR is magnified by 100 with Ingram. For a Duke player he is really dumb. I rather pay DDR $27 million a year than Ingram (and yes I know ppl will say but he's young and has potential) but the difference is that he is like Lonnie now. Too dumb to play and needs years of coaching and development which we can't offer him before his contract year arrives. He needs to be rebuilt completely.
tbh if Kawhi would've actually played when healthy or not said LA or nothing then we would've gotten back a haul for him instead of Demar bleeping DeRozan
The whole problem with critiquing the trade is we really don't know what was on offer. What I can gleam- is what tbdog and Kobe' achilles has said is there wasn't hardly anything on the table. How much would you offer for a guy sitting out the season with an injury no one can explain (and some legitimate concern that he has a degenerative condition). who says he will only go to LA. In hindsight the Clippers trade sounds better. There have been some credible reporting that they did offer Harris and picks 12 and 13. Although I caution this is far from confirmed.
If this offer really was true- let's look at it- Picks 12 and 13 sound great- but look at picks 10 through 15 for the past 10 years. Yes, there are some great players there, but a lot of mediocrity and complete misses. Harris- as said above- nobody thought he'd be this good, and is in a contract year....
Nephew would have torpedo’d the Toronto if we didn’t move quickly. That was the reason for the 2am trade. You really can’t judge the trade until another season and see if DDR and Nephew re-signs. I think Nephew was leaving Toronto after this year, but that Gasol trade might make his uncle reconsider. I could see him signing a two year with a one year player option with Toronto. In two years, LeThanos would be close to retirement and Nephew could replace him there
honestly just getting Poeltl and the pick would've probably been better than getting DeRozan included. He hurts the team
Wow people here must find something interesting to do with their lives. The exaggeratin exaggerated reactions to DeRozan failures are overwhelming.
DeMar is obviously going to fail with a team so lacking of defenders, as he is a bad one and it's clearly exposed.
Once the team find a couple of wing defenders he'll be better.
Who would you trade him for, if you were the GM?
You don't need a 29 year old all star like DeRozan to make that trade work.
PATFO should have pushed for Siakam+Valanciunas+picks for Kawhi+Gasol.
If Ujiri was so bent on getting rid of Demar it would be on him to find a 3d team to make it work.
And hindsight is 20/20 obviously like always,but,yes,somewhere between a front office exhausted from a prolonged period of trade rumors and the given rule of "we're not tanking in Pop's last couple of years" we entrapped ourselves in a difficult situation.And we made a trade that is looking more and more of a failure game after game.
Nah, Traylor for Dirk was far worse. I doubt that Trae eats his way out of the league after only 7 seasons, nor will he be a bit player like Traylor was. Trae's rookie year 16.9p/7.6asst is far better than any season of Traylor's career.
It's like DeMar came out angry/hurt with something to prove for the first week of the season, slowly let off the gas, then lost all motivation after beating Toronto here in SA..
As far as the trade itself.. yes, very lopsided, but what the could we really do with they way the re ed us over? Ujiri basically saved his job and 100% of the credit should go to Kawhi for being a tbh
Lot of awesome armchair GMs in here
That's the nuts and bolts of it. Leonard put the Spurs in a terrible position. The trade can't really be evaluated by the regular standard.
Lmao, Toronto had a whole assortment of good defenders and he still sucked. Try again
Check out the Lakers, man.
It's year 1, the guy isn't even 30 yet. We all thought Aldridge was washed up (he's a few years older and I'm sure at this point is slowly on the downside of his trajectory.) My point is, give the guy a chance to learn the system and actually put some 3&D guys around him. He didn't suck in Toronto and if it wasn't for LeBron he would have had a legit shot at going deep in the playoffs last year. Toronto didn't trade him bc he sucks they traded him bc they thought if they took one step up it might be a big enough step to win a championship. We know DeRozan isn't a top 5 player in the league, it doesn't mean he's not an asset.
We see how much he's helped the team leading up to the Toronto game and how good he can be when he's on his game. Obviously something is off. Idk if he's not motivated, I don't know if he's injured, it might even be something he goes through on a yearly basis but it's lazy just to say all of a sudden he just sucks.
Why would the Spurs thrown in Danny Green?
Maybe because they're rebuilding for the future?
And Danny Green has nothing to do with their plans going forward?
Good lord, people . . .
Getting a 30 year old player that is due 85 millions for the next three seasons isn't rebuilding for the future.
If they really wanted to rebuild, trading away Mills or Gasol's contract would have made more sense than trading Green's expiring one.
Remember, Doncic was traded for Trae Young and Dallas' 2019 first rounder (top 5 protected), currently #11, and Five-Thirty-Eight projects the pick to drop to #10.
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