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Houston. I can’t see us beating a fully healthy Rockets team. We just don’t have the personnel to guard them.
Even Pop-D’Antoni curse can’t overcome that.
That’s not my point but for you if it’s Normal To let Murray shooting 3’s with bad defense ok
you talk only of derozan but what he did offensively before the 4th quarter is also a reason why the spurs win no ?
Houston. I can’t see us beating a fully healthy Rockets team. We just don’t have the personnel to guard them.
Even Pop-D’Antoni curse can’t overcome that.
By now I think Pop keeps changing up the starting line up so teams have to scout them again before they can exploit the team defensively. It buys you time for like 10-20 games
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What he did almost costed the game (another game). I don't know what game you watched.
I'll let you know a secret: the game lasts 48 minutes, in four quarters. What you do decently in the first three counts for nothing if you forget what you were doing and decide to play like a wannabe star in the fourth hence throwing in the gutter 15 points advantage just to show you cannot dribble, cannot pass, cannot involve the four other players on your team, instead clanging bad shots after bad shot.
Again: 4 points in the last 6 minutes. And you talk about defense....
The defense was good on Murray ? Just a question.
I talk about defense because we lead by 10 with 2 minutes remaining. You can’t talk only about derozan, that’s Just my opinion. And you can’t Say that what he did during three quarter offensiely was nothing.
I agree with you about the fourth, i’m not blind but imo it was an overall bad performance at the end.
Look, when you get outscored 19-4 in 6 minutes to close the game, defense is no good, that's obvious. As it is obvious as well how difficult it is to defend on tranasition after turnovers and clanked shots. I'd agree with you if the whole game was the same. But that is the whole point: 42 minutes of good defense and smart offense (plus Denver couldn't hit a shot even the most open). Then just to appease the moron crybaby, everything has to change into "look how good I am, am I a superstar or not? Look how I dribble and can't hit a shot but I am a superstar so who ceares...".
me, if I was on the floor I would have stopped playing defense myself.
Have a look at past games: when DDR takes up to 15 shots, we often win. More than that, it is an almost sure loss. I am not kidding. He must sit or at least put away from the ball, closing games.
I understand your take and he needs to make better decisions sometimes.
i rewatch last 5 minutes of the game, offensively 2 first possesions were not good (3's by bertans and white) , then derozan made a solo possesion and score ( during this time murray made three 3's with two really bad defense), there's another derozan shot after a block by aldridge, after that derozan goes inside and gives white an open look at 3, he grabds the O board and then white gives him the ball with 6 sec left for the shoot : Imo that stints was not bad by Derozan, he could have done better but Spurs offense was passive.
Next possesion was a one on one by DDR, i agree he could have done better.
I understand what you mean overall, he's not a franchise player, he does not need to force things but vs denver i think that was not bad.
Bertans only started when we were short handed.
I don't understand: you want to start him without benching anybody?
I might be harsh on DDR, I know. The guy pisses me off royally. I loved how he played at start of the season: not too many shots, ball moving, taking his supergood lateral penetration with the 15 footer which is unguardable, playing team basketball (and zero defense). Then some reasons -probably LA playing better, White too, and the second unit killing it- it all made him feel he needed to prove something, and turned into a pussy crybaby. So yes, I am biased now. If he takes up to 15 shots a game, that's where he is most valuable, not looking to take 30 shots on iso situations.
I agree with you, at his age he needs to be smart the way he did during the first half of the season. I also hope he can understand what you explain about him taking 15 shots and not 30.
That's a dumb reply coming from someone that quoted this post of mine:
Your subjective opinions aren't allowing you to understand the facts:
Time remaining DeRozan scores 1on1 action in the paint (100-86) 5:48 Murray scores fadeaway J from Elbow on White (100-88) 5:32 White misses cutting lay-up after Bertans drive 5:12 Nuggets airballs open 3 in transition after Forbes-Bertans miscommunication 5:02 DeRozan turnover in P&R with Aldridge 4:45 White blocks Harris fastbreak layup 4:39 Timeout Spurs (100-88) 4:31 DeRozan scores layup in ATO sideline bounds (102-88) 4:26 Murray makes open 3pt. Bad communication White-LA not switching in screen (102-91) 4:09 Bertans misses desperation 3pt after Rudy's post up 3:43 Murray scores corner open 3pt, White unnecessarily helps out instead of staying (102-94) 3:24 Spurs try to post-up Aldridge but Jokic deflects. Out of bounds set play for Bertans 3 but White breaks the play and takes a dribble 3pt he misses 3:01 Murray quick off the dribble jump shot from the elbow, misses, Aldridge rebound 2:47 3 non-successful possessions after last Spurs field goal, from DeRozan, Pop goes back to him. P&R with Aldridge, DeRozan scores again (104-94)
Now you tell me genius, what would have you done as a coach at this point?2:33 Harris penetration, Spurs help, he kicks out to Milsaap, White closes out, extra pass to Murray in the corner, Gay doesn't close out, 3pts (104-97) 2:15 Spurs DDR-LA P&R again, DeRozan misses pull up jump shot. A good shot for him. 1:55 Barton hits contested transition three (104-100) 1:41 High-low action for Aldridge, Jokic fouls. Sub Forbes for Bertans.ISO for DeRozan who's doubled and facilitates White for an absolutely open three he misses but DeRozan rebounds. 1:19 Ball returns to White who returns it to DDR for a side ISO. He's doubled again with 4” in the shot clock but takes the shot and misses. 1:05 Murray scores pull up 3pt after transition P&R, Spurs switched leaving Gay on him (103-104). 0:49 DeRozan takes the ball and POP calls ISO for him to go to the rim (2 for 1 quick attack). He beats his man, misses the lay-up. 0:30 Murray misses off the dribble 3pt after another P&R switch defense from Spurs. Gay can't get the rebound. 0:14 Murray takes the designated shot in the paint after curling in a screen in a quick baseline bound play from Malone. Gay doesn't box out Millsaap again and Denver has another chance. 0:08 Jokic receives wide open but doesn't take the shot and LA deflects the ball. Gay grabs the ball this time and he's fouled. Misses BOTH free throws. 0:03 Mills fouls before the shot as Spurs are not in the bonus. 0:02 Harris misses turn around jump shot END
Maybe if you go action by action, possession by possession you find some clarity to understand my point of view. Or you can keep saying "but he missed shots!"
Ask yourself why he was kept off the ball in the last minutes against Atlanta.
Because he wasn't having a good night. I'd have done the same as his coach. He was playing very well vs Denver, which is what we are talking about.
If you are right and that is the reason, then there is no hope to win close games.
I hope instead that somebody in the coaching staff finally spoke the truth to Pop, and DDR closing games is a closed mistake.
DeRozan closing games worked pretty well at the beginning of the season.
Season-wise, I think you have to look for an alternative plan when your designated closer is not getting the kind of shots he usually makes. If he is just missing them and his confidence remains high I'd continue trusting him.
Anyway, I believe in all the teams that's a game-by-game decision. Teams use to have a ranking of options (depending on what they need each shot in the clutch) and they choose based on how a player has been playing not only in that particular game but in the prior minutes to that moment.
I guess the Spurs ranking is DeRozan-Aldridge-Gay and White is appearing and climbing in that list as he's gaining more confidence and experience. To me, as long as DeRozan is willingly taking the ball in those key possessions I'd continue giving him the ball as he not only can score penetrating or jump shooting but also he is the best in the team finding the open man for a better shot. I'd give the ball to Rudy if he's having one of his great days or to Aldridge in the post despite if he's playing well despite he has struggled with those shots in the last 3 seasons but with DeRozan having a good game I'm going with him anytime.
I might be wrong but that's my opinion based on the facts I observe.
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