Hot take #1: Manu would be a better offensive option than Duncan on today's NBA

[apalisoc_9]

So still not willing to own it and attempting to deflect. Got it.

The deflect is funny because even by modern standards Duncan would still be a better offensive player.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

WRONG, D. Robinson was great but he couldn't create like Giannis, couldn't handle the ball like Giannis. He was super athletic, had a better jumper but he couldn't jump over someone in an actuall game or dunk from the FT line.

You must have never watched David play in his prime. That’s too bad.

[BSfromTX]

Where exactly did i say that he had a great post game? He had a post up/face up game,and it was working like a charm.

My point was that Giannis plays nothing like Robinson.He has NO post game,he never posts up,he drives to the basket at full speed from the 3 point line.Like Lebron.
Anthony Davis has the more similar game to Robinson between the two.

I guess I thought you meant a post game like Duncan or Dream (back to the basket type). Robinson didn't have a bad post game, it just wasn't exactly smooth and automatic like Duncan. Yes, his face up at the top of the post was great, but I guess I wasn't really considering that.

[GreekSpursfan]

Comparing a scrub to the admiral

That particular scrub is the No1 option on his team with the best record and no real other all star. D.Robinson is great but waay different than Giannis. Different players.

[GreekSpursfan]

You must have never watched David play in his prime. That’s too bad.

I watched him, you compare two competely different players is all i was trying to say. Don't tell me D.Robinson was playmaking because if you say that i will question your bball IQ.

[GusT15]

That particular scrub is the No1 option on his team with the best record and no real other all star. D.Robinson is great but waay different than Giannis. Different players.

The Admiral was the most athletic and dominant player in the league-until prime Shaq showed up,but by then he was well past his prime-that's where the comparisons to Giannis come from.
But,yeah,besides dunking all over people,they were completely different players.

[RD2191]

That particular scrub is the No1 option on his team with the best record and no real other all star. D.Robinson is great but waay different than Giannis. Different players.

Yeah, one is a scrub and the other is the admiral.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I watched him, you compare two competely different players is all i was trying to say. Don't tell me D.Robinson was playmaking because if you say that i will question your bball IQ.

How old are you...six??? Did you by chance miss his quadruple double?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The thing the allowed Giannis to excel this year is that coach Bud allowed him more freedom to run the offense. David Robinson was entirely capable of doing the things the Greek Freak can do. He was a non-traditional center who had to change his game to play in the 80's and 90's. If David would have played in this positionless era that we have today, it's frightening to think about how good he might have been.

[J_Paco]

The thing the allowed Giannis to excel this year is that coach Bud allowed him more freedom to run the offense. David Robinson was entirely capable of doing the things the Greek Freak can do. He was a non-traditional center who had to change his game to play in the 80's and 90's. If David would have played in this positionless era that we have today, it's frightening to think about how good he might have been.

He was a bigger, stronger and more athletic version of Anthony Davis. And you see the ridiculous numbers he's putting up this season.

David did similar in a slower pace era with a PG (no offense to Avery) and supporting cast (minus Sean E.).

[DAF86]

He was a bigger, stronger and more athletic version of Anthony Davis. And you see the ridiculous numbers he's putting up this season.

David did similar in a slower pace era with a PG (no offense to Avery) and supporting cast (minus Sean E.).

His teams though.

[GusT15]

I'm very proud of us,as a community,for very organically,transforming a thread that started as Manu vs Timmy,to what David Robinson would do in today's NBA.

Even with a question at hand that was easily answered,we side tracked the conversation to a worthy debate.

[callo1]

DRob was Giannis Antetokounmpo X10. In today's NBA he'd average 40 a night. Who's going to slow down a prime Admiral with today's small ball lineups?

Truth

[DAF86]

I'm very proud of us,as a community,for very organically,transforming a thread that started as Manu vs Timmy,to what David Robinson would do in today's NBA.

Even with a question at hand that was easily answered,we side tracked the conversation to a worthy debate.

It's funny to me how the same guys that say Manu would be better than Harden if given the chance on today's NBA totally dismiss the idea of Manu maybe being a better offensive option than Duncan. Talk about homerism.

You can't have it both ways, tbh. Either Manu can pull what the, arguably, best offensive player in the league is doing and then the Duncan/Manu debate could be plausible; or you totally dismiss both Manu/Harden and Manu/Duncan debates, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

It's funny to me how the same guys that say Manu would be better than Harden if given the chance on today's NBA totally dismiss the idea of Manu maybe being a better offensive option than Duncan. Talk about homerism.

You can't have it both ways, tbh. Either Manu can pull what the, arguably, best offensive player in the league is doing and then the Duncan/Manu debate could be plausible; or you totally dismiss both Manu/Harden and Manu/Duncan debates, tbh.

Folks still think Harden is in the same stratosphere as that scrub?

Manu/Lou Will is a better debate...

[GusT15]

It's funny to me how the same guys that say Manu would be better than Harden if given the chance on today's NBA totally dismiss the idea of Manu maybe being a better offensive option than Duncan. Talk about homerism.

You can't have it both ways, tbh. Either Manu can pull what the, arguably, best offensive player in the league is doing and then the Duncan/Manu debate could be plausible; or you totally dismiss both Manu/Harden and Manu/Duncan debates, tbh.

I'll answer the second question you asked in this thread.About the FIBA rules,since as a European myself i was raised with FIBA Basketball rules.

Duncan is a Mount Rushmore player.Manu is a basketball legend but a level below Duncan.That means in every kind of compe ive basketball.In 2004 team USA was really dysfunctional,as it was in 02,as it in 06.A player like Manu could easily take advantage of that in FIBA rules,and he did.We Greeks could take advantage of that in 06 and we did.It was a team issue,not a Manu vs Timmy issue.

Now if you're asking about Harden vs Manu in FIBA rules the answer is also simple.
The biggest differences between NBA and FIBA are 40 mins vs 48 mins,no gather step rule and foul calling.
A prime Manu in a 40 minute game can play with the same intensity Harden plays in a 48 min game.So that advantage goes out the window along the durability issue.
In FIBA ball EVERYTHING Harden does is travelling.I mean,like every,single,move.So there goes that as well.
And lastly but more importantly,Harden fishing for fouls? Yeah,that's not happening over here.The refs will look at him like wtf are you trying to pull and move on.

So in FIBA rules? Prime Manu over Harden and it's not even a question.

[Pavlov]

It's funny to me how the same guys that say Manu would be better than Harden if given the chance on today's NBA totally dismiss the idea of Manu maybe being a better offensive option than Duncan. Talk about homerism.

You can't have it both ways, tbh. Either Manu can pull what the, arguably, best offensive player in the league is doing and then the Duncan/Manu debate could be plausible; or you totally dismiss both Manu/Harden and Manu/Duncan debates, tbh.

talk about having it both ways.

Do you think Manu would be a better offensive option than Duncan on today's NBA?

Yes or no.

[DAF86]

I'll answer the second question you asked in this thread.About the FIBA rules,since as a European myself i was raised with FIBA Basketball rules.

Duncan is a Mount Rushmore player.Manu is a basketball legend but a level below Duncan.That means in every kind of compe ive basketball.In 2004 team USA was really dysfunctional,as it was in 02,as it in 06.A player like Manu could easily take advantage of that in FIBA rules,and he did.We Greeks could take advantage of that in 06 and we did.It was a team issue,not a Manu vs Timmy issue.

Now if you're asking about Harden vs Manu in FIBA rules the answer is also simple.
The biggest differences between NBA and FIBA are 40 mins vs 48 mins,no gather step rule and foul calling.
A prime Manu in a 40 minute game can play with the same intensity Harden plays in a 48 min game.So that advantage goes out the window along the durability issue.
In FIBA ball EVERYTHING Harden does is travelling.I mean,like every,single,move.So there goes that as well.
And lastly but more importantly,Harden fishing for fouls? Yeah,that's not happening over here.The refs will look at him like wtf are you trying to pull and move on.

So in FIBA rules? Prime Manu over Harden and it's not even a question.

Haha no son. I'm talking about the NBA. Some of the same guys that said that Manu would totally be better than Harden because "clutchness, will power, isn't a , one's a Spur and the other isn't" are the same guys that totally dismiss the Manu/Duncan offensive option comparissons on today's NBA.

Either they think Duncan would be blowing everybody out on today's NBA to say that Harden's offensive production couldn't be compared with what Duncan would provide; or they are being a little homerish, tbh.

[tmtcsc]

I'd make Tim Duncan my first option in any NBA era. His height alone gave him an advantage on most nights. Add in his smarts and fundamentals and its a no-brainer. If he didn't have a good look, he certainly created them for his teammates. Weird, thoughtless take on your part.

[DAF86]

talk about having it both ways.

Do you think Manu would be a better offensive option than Duncan on today's NBA?

Yes or no.

I really don't know son, that's why I think it is a good discussion topic. What I'm totally against is the idea that the difference would be so big that it isn't even worth discussing it.

If Duncan wasn't a top 5 or top 7 player of all-time I would definitely give the edge to the perimeter player. Him actually being Timothy Theodore Duncan is what makes me doubt.

[Pavlov]

I really don't know son, that's why I think it is a good discussion topic. What I'm totally against is the idea that the difference would be so big that it isn't even worth discussing it.

son

[GusT15]

Haha no son. I'm talking about the NBA. Some of the same guys that said that Manu would totally be better than Harden because "clutchness, will power, isn't a , ones a Spur and the other isn't" are the same guys that totally dismiss the Manu/Duncan offensive option comparissons on today's NBA.

Either they think Duncan would be blowing everybody out on today's NBA to say that Harden's offensive production couldn't be compared with what Duncan would provide; or they are being a little homerish, tbh.

Duncan would be blowing everybody out in today's NBA and also win multiple DPOY.
Manu was an amazing second option for a championship team,a luxury and he would be today as well.

I would not construct a roster with Harden as my first option no matter how good of an offensive player he is.
I would not construct a roster with Manu as my first option cause even though he COULD do what Harden's doing while playing great defense as well,i don't think he could do it for 82 games+Playoffs,37 mins a night.

Hence the answer was,is and will always be Tim Duncan.No matter the day,time,decade or millennia.That's what being a Basketball God means.
Playstyle and rules adapt to each generation's Jordan,Duncan,Shaq etc.Not the other way around.

Just cause this generation are a bunch of soft dudes shooting 3s and the game went that direction it doesn't take something away from Duncan.
A prime Duncan enters the league in 2020? The game will adapt to HIM.

[Diego20]

tbqh who is better? TP or mario chalmers??

[RodNIc91]

Thats absurd. Duncan was an athletic freak even more so than davis.

Ginobili is underrated geenrally by non-spurs fans but hes honestly the most overrated spur player by spurs fans

How was Duncan an athletic freak?

[DAF86]

Duncan would be blowing everybody out in today's NBA and also win multiple DPOY.
Manu was an amazing second option for a championship team,a luxury and he would be today as well.

I would not construct a roster with Harden as my first option no matter how good of an offensive player he is.
I would not construct a roster with Manu as my first option cause even though he COULD do what Harden's doing while playing great defense as well,i don't think he could do it for 82 games+Playoffs,37 mins a night.

Hence the answer was,is and will always be Tim Duncan.No matter the day,time,decade or millennia.That's what being a Basketball God means.
Playstyle and rules adapt to each generation's Jordan,Duncan,Shaq etc.Not the other way around.

Just cause this generation are a bunch of soft dudes shooting 3s and the game went that direction it doesn't take something away from Duncan.
A prime Duncan enters the league in 2020? The game will adapt to HIM.

Why is there this presuposition that Manu wouldn't be able to handle starters minutes even though he has dominated FIBA tournaments where you would play 5 games in 5 straight days?