ST Democrats: Who do you want to win the 2020 Nomination?

[Pavlov]

He's the only one who can beat Trump.

I'd prefer someone to quell the nastiness and begin to reach across the isle again to get something done. Scoreboard politics doesn't help the people. We don't need an exciting person as POTUS. We just need someone who isn't about to cash in.

So you would vote for Biden and not Trump?

[DMC]

92 Clinton won because of a) Ross Perot, and b) people tired of 12 years of GOP policy

08 Obama won because any Democrat would have won because Bush was public enemy #1 at the time + the recession had just started. Even Hillary would have crushed twerpy McCain that year.

It's a mistake to run someone who looks like they might die at any moment. Disabled people deserve some honor and dignity but generally the American people want someone who looks like they can make it through a term. This is why Bernie isn't a good choice. It's why McCain wasn't a good choice, never mind that he picked the worst running mate anyone could have possibly picked. I think Colin Powell could have become the 1st black POTUS had he run, but he's too smart to run. Condoleeza Rice would stand a chance if she stayed in it.

Beto is a bit too close to the Obama years. We had our fresh start guy, and Beto doesn't really promise anything, and couldn't even win in his home state (but had a good showing). Still, Texas is a somewhat red state, so it doesn't really indicate much that Beto lost it. So I won't count Beto out just yet. I don't see any of the females making any real noise. Many have been around too long and are already about as high up as they'll ever get by being in congress.

It will be hard to beat Trump if the economy is good, if we aren't going into another war, if he's bringing home troops. Voters won't give a about Russiagate, at least the swing voters. Party liners will still vote their team colors.

[DMC]

So you would vote for Biden and not Trump?

Yes. I voted for him twice already. I've never voted for Trump.

[FrostKing]

I will take any sane individual with the best odds of winning from either party over what we have now. Integrity should matter to us again.

Again? Jimmy Carter was ages ago.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It's a mistake to run someone who looks like they might die at any moment. Disabled people deserve some honor and dignity but generally the American people want someone who looks like they can make it through a term. This is why Bernie isn't a good choice. It's why McCain wasn't a good choice, never mind that he picked the worst running mate anyone could have possibly picked. I think Colin Powell could have become the 1st black POTUS had he run, but he's too smart to run. Condoleeza Rice would stand a chance if she stayed in it.

Beto is a bit too close to the Obama years. We had our fresh start guy, and Beto doesn't really promise anything, and couldn't even win in his home state (but had a good showing). Still, Texas is a somewhat red state, so it doesn't really indicate much that Beto lost it. So I won't count Beto out just yet. I don't see any of the females making any real noise. Many have been around too long and are already about as high up as they'll ever get by being in congress.

It will be hard to beat Trump if the economy is good, if we aren't going into another war, if he's bringing home troops. Voters won't give a about Russiagate, at least the swing voters. Party liners will still vote their team colors.

The next economic downturn is almost guaranteed to happen between the final quarter of 2019 and the third quarter of 2020. House prices have stagnated since mid-2017 and real estate investors are holding off buying because it's going to be a buyer's market sooner than later. This should help Democrats a bit.

Bernie is super popular. I think he could get through 2 terms without dying. But if Beto echoes the same policies, things could swing his way.

Condi Rice... it's too bad she never ran. I would have voted for her.

[DMC]

The next economic downturn is almost guaranteed to happen between the final quarter of 2019 and the third quarter of 2020. House prices have stagnated since mid-2017 and real estate investors are holding off buying because it's going to be a buyer's market sooner than later. This should help Democrats a bit.

Bernie is super popular. I think he could get through 2 terms without dying. But if Beto echoes the same policies, things could swing his way.

Condi Rice... it's too bad she never ran. I would have voted for her.

Stagnated?



I'm not seeing it. I know people who are selling because they can no longer afford the property tax since their home has been valued well over 100% of their original price from just a dozen or so years ago. Home prices, especially around this area in Texas, have not stagnated and certainly not since 2017. Not sure what you're referring to.

Bernie allowed his supporters to be ed over by Hillary and the DNC. I think he poisoned himself by doing so.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Stagnated?



I'm not seeing it. I know people who are selling because they can no longer afford the property tax since their home has been valued well over 100% of their original price from just a dozen or so years ago. Home prices, especially around this area in Texas, have not stagnated and certainly not since 2017. Not sure what you're referring to.

I know first hand that Dallas has stagnated from July 2017-present. That map only goes up to Jan 2018, fwiw.

[UnWantedTheory]

Didn't figure you for a socialist, but that's your prerogative.

So you didn't comprehend what was said. Got it.

[UnWantedTheory]

In this case integrity means "shrouded in secrecy" since most of these people are revealed to be pieces of at some point after their terms.

I will take the old pieces of over the current one. They all lie, and all have secrets, but this is a new level of which we should not be comfortable with in my opinion.

[AaronY]

#anyonebutbernie2020

[Pavlov]

#anyonebutbernie2020

Right? I'd be OK with him if he and his minions didn't always seem to be working to destroy the party.

[UnWantedTheory]

He's the only one who can beat Trump.

I'd prefer someone to quell the nastiness and begin to reach across the isle again to get something done. Scoreboard politics doesn't help the people. We don't need an exciting person as POTUS. We just need someone who isn't about to cash in.

So when I asked for integrity, what was the problem? Was that too strict a term for you? Again, I wan't someone sane in office. A sane person could speak like an adult, and act like one too. A sane person could hopefully work with the other side when necessary as well. Based on the comment you just made, I feel like you are far too literal, or you are too much of a contrarian to have not understood what I meant.

[UnWantedTheory]

Stagnated?



I'm not seeing it. I know people who are selling because they can no longer afford the property tax since their home has been valued well over 100% of their original price from just a dozen or so years ago. Home prices, especially around this area in Texas, have not stagnated and certainly not since 2017. Not sure what you're referring to.

Bernie allowed his supporters to be ed over by Hillary and the DNC. I think he poisoned himself by doing so.

True, my property is now about 60% higher in the last 5 years alone. The housing market has been doing fine for several years now.

[UnWantedTheory]

I know first hand that Dallas has stagnated from July 2017-present. That map only goes up to Jan 2018, fwiw.

In fairness, one city isn't an indicator of the entire market.

[Millennial_Messiah]

True, my property is now about 60% higher in the last 5 years alone. The housing market has been doing fine for several years now.

but most of that growth was 2013-2016, it really shot up from 2011-2016. But Summer 2017-present there has been a plateauing. Not a downturn yet but a plateauing. The downturn will come sooner than later and almost certainly in 2020.

[DMC]

So when I asked for integrity, what was the problem? Was that too strict a term for you? Again, I wan't someone sane in office. A sane person could speak like an adult, and act like one too. A sane person could hopefully work with the other side when necessary as well. Based on the comment you just made, I feel like you are far too literal, or you are too much of a contrarian to have not understood what I meant.

I don't believe there are more than a couple of people in the entire running who fit that bill. Implying Integrity for someone because they appear nice on TV isn't the same as someone having accountability and being honest about what they know and don't know. I don't know if Joe Biden has Integrity, I have no idea. I believe he's more of a moderate than some of the others and that's more my style.

As far as being a contrarian I'm probably guilty. I just believe that words are important in conversations especially written ones so that the people having a discussion are on the same page and not arguing about a misunderstanding.

[SpursforSix]

In fairness, one city isn't an indicator of the entire market.

You obviously haven't seen enough of Millennial Messiah's takes.

[DMC]

I know first hand that Dallas has stagnated from July 2017-present. That map only goes up to Jan 2018, fwiw.

The chart I posted doesn't reflect that. Can you find a chart that does?

[Millennial_Messiah]

The chart I posted doesn't reflect that. Can you find a chart that does?

It's not just price... days on market have skyrocketed in the past couple years. Up to and including 2016, if you put a house up for sale it'd be under contract w/earnest deposit within a week every time (as long as you're not asking for WAY over market value) but now you have to wait at least a month which is plain awful as a seller. For me it took 4 months, plus an additional to close. That is as a seller trying to sell the house they live in and not able to plan when they're going to need to move.

[BD24]

Your so full of Andy. I had three of my neighbors sell in the last 6-12 months. They all sold within 2-4 weeks at or above asking price. Why do you insist on lieing and then doubling down on your lies constantly tbh?

[DMC]

It's not just price... days on market have skyrocketed in the past couple years. Up to and including 2016, if you put a house up for sale it'd be under contract w/earnest deposit within a week every time (as long as you're not asking for WAY over market value) but now you have to wait at least a month which is plain awful as a seller. For me it took 4 months, plus an additional to close. That is as a seller trying to sell the house they live in and not able to plan when they're going to need to move.

Chart. Show some data.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Your so full of Andy. I had three of my neighbors sell in the last 6-12 months. They all sold within 2-4 weeks at or above asking price. Why do you insist on lieing and then doubling down on your lies constantly tbh?

2-4 weeks even is a long time compared to 2013-2016. Everything usually went under contract (and didn't renege) on days 1-7.

[DMC]

2-4 weeks even is a long time compared to 2013-2016. Everything usually went under contract (and didn't renege) on days 1-7.

Still no data. Are you going by what you recall people talking about or are you trying to get a real estate license?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Still no data. Are you going by what you recall people talking about or are you trying to get a real estate license?

Personal experience, but I invite you to call any realtor number on Zillow in the north DFW area

[CosmicCowboy]

In SA the over 500,000 is pretty slow because of too much builder supply but houses under 300k are selling pretty fast. I sold a rent house last year within 24 hours for 65K more than I paid for it 5 years ago.