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    "At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

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    Mueller came through.

    1) He was handcuffed by the DOJ policy to indict a sitting president and THIS is why he did not determine that trump obstructed justice - in other words - the evidence showed obstruction - the DOJ policy forbid it - so Mueller handed it off to Congress -
    Baghdad Barr intervened and began his spin/cover up.

    2) Mueller states that - even though a sitting president cannot be indicted - the EVIDENCE found in this investigation CAN be used to prosecute AFTER trump leaves office



    THIS report will be known as Trumps end.

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    "At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

    This is what I was trying to show comrade TSA - that Mueller cherry-picked parts to flatter trump.

    But my crayons ran out before I could open TSA's eyes...

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    "At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
    Last edited by vy65; 04-18-2019 at 01:33 PM.

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    "At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
    Totally reasonable to read this as complete exoneration.

    Totally responsible to be okay with our leaders saying as much.

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    Totally reasonable to read this as complete exoneration.

    Totally responsible to be okay with our leaders saying as much.
    Yeah well, ignorance is strength

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    Yeah well, ignorance is strength
    It's been a while since I read 1984 but as I recall Orwell may have underestimated the willingness and enthusiasm with which the plebs would participate in the overt dishonesty.

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    It's been a while since I read 1984 but as I recall Orwell may have underestimated the willingness and enthusiasm with which the plebs would participate in the overt dishonesty.
    Reminds me of Spinoza: Why do the masses fight for their servitude as if it was salvation?

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    "At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
    "The Special Counsel's decision to describe the facts of his obstruction investigation without reaching any legal conclusions leaves it to the Attorney General to determine whether the conduct described in the report cons utes a crime. Over the course of the investigation, the Special Counsel's office engaged in discussions with certain Department officials regarding many of the legal and factual matters at issue in the Special Counsel's obstruction investigation. After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the cons utional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president.
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    In making this determination, we noted that the Special Counsel recognized that “the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference," and that, while not determinative, the absence of such evidence bears upon the President's intent with respect to obstruction. Generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding. In cataloguing the President's actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, cons ute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which, under the Department's principles of federal prosecution guiding charging decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-justice offense."

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    And your point is?

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    also - I never had semen in my eyes in my life -

    if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that you clearly did not got ed on, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that you were once blinded by semen, it also does not exonerate you

    [Not exonerated] until proven guilty

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    Mueller came through.

    1) He was handcuffed by the DOJ policy to indict a sitting president and THIS is why he did not determine that trump obstructed justice - in other words - the evidence showed obstruction - the DOJ policy forbid it - so Mueller handed it off to Congress -
    Baghdad Barr intervened and began his spin/cover up.

    2) Mueller states that - even though a sitting president cannot be indicted - the EVIDENCE found in this investigation CAN be used to prosecute AFTER trump leaves office



    THIS report will be known as Trumps end.
    obstructing an investigation with no underlying crime

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    And your point is?
    Mueller couldn't conclude either way so he punted to Barr. Game over.

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    obstructing an investigation with no underlying crime
    This is incorrect.

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    Looks like Mueller's actually punting to Congress per DoJ regs tbh.

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    Mueller couldn't conclude either way so he punted to Barr. Game over.
    Looks like Mueller's actually punting to Congress per DoJ regs tbh.

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    There's also a difference between couldn't and didn't.

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    obstructing an investigation with no underlying crime
    idiot

    underlying crime is NOT a necessary component in obstruction

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    The Scope and Barr’s Misdirection

    It’s a given at this point that Bill Barr has been willfully deceptive about the contents of this report.

    But even taking that as a given

    this passage is critical in understanding the standards Mueller applied to the “collusion” part of the investigation.

    Indeed, he says explicitly, contra Barr, that he didn’t use that standard.






    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...+%28TPMNews%29

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    Can someone explain to me how the McGahn situation is not obvious obstruction? Not looking for trolling bull , legitimately curious.

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    Mueller couldn't conclude either way so he punted to Barr. Game over.
    wrong

    mueller names Congress as the sole authority

    see mueller report and wipe your ass with Baghdad Barrs report

    lolol

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    Mueller punts to Congress as he concludes it's the only play in the book.

    Barr shows up with a paper ball he made himself and es it in the endzone for Trump.

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    So, wrong bout punting to Barr, wrong bout predicate crime for obstruction, and wrong bout TOTAL EXONERATION

    Tough day for team trump

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    This is incorrect.
    take it up with Rosenstein

    "In making this determination, we noted that the Special Counsel recognized that “the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference," and that, while not determinative, the absence of such evidence bears upon the President's intent with respect to obstruction. Generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding."

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    Can someone explain to me how the McGahn situation is not obvious obstruction? Not looking for trolling bull , legitimately curious.
    it is obstruction but mueller lays out the exact OPPOSITE

    of what Baghdad Barr falsely asserted


    that because of DOJ policy he will not make a criminal determination on the criminal in chief

    and even though there is evidence

    since he is forbidden to make that call - he wont pick a side of the equation

    then he lays out why Congress is the sole authority in this call

    he further states that Baghdad Barrs premise that a prez cannot commit a crime and cannot be held to account because he could not run the country

    is not accurate when a prez corruptly uses his exec power

    you know - just like i said a month ago

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