Realistic trade partners for LA/Derozan

[Leetonidas]

Why? Your stuck in summer 2018 mode. Things are different a year later:

- thanks to Kings great season Boston three first are late and in a “ ty” draft. They depleated their meaningful assets after this summer.

- what filler that is that much better than LMA can boston send? Hayward? Hortford? Morris? Not really that much better honestly and some of those deals are longer. LMA’s deal also gives Pels excellent flexibility to move on after next year with the partial guarantee.

- and for the current assets. yes, I think Tatum is better than any of White, Murray, and Lonnie. But our young guys (even Forbes and Poertl) have increased their values a lot. As for Boston’s next best young player, Brown, he’s really had a down year. I don’t think his stock will be viewed as that much higher (if at all) than say a Murray or White.

Obviously the spurs would have to give up a lot for a chance to sell AD. I think it’s worth it.

Dude, Tatum + Gordon/Horford/Morris + a pick is still waaay better than LAs old ass and some assorted spurs trash. Seriously, why on earth would a rebuilding franchise want LA over younger talent plus one of the best young prospects on a rookie deal in the league? I guarantee you it's not happening

[Leetonidas]

Besides, Murray is coming off an ACL tear, white is 24 already, and walker while he shows promises had a pretty unspectacular rookie year. I guarantee you any GM would rather have Tatum/Brown and a Celtics big contract over LA and any of the Spurs young players

[Fusternino]

Glad to see a lot going against Ainge, tbh.

[CGD]

Dude, Tatum + Gordon/Horford/Morris + a pick is still waaay better than LAs old ass and some assorted spurs trash. Seriously, why on earth would a rebuilding franchise want LA over younger talent plus one of the best young prospects on a rookie deal in the league? I guarantee you it's not happening

I disagree that their filler (Hayward, Horrford, etc.) is better than LMA. Hortford is as old as LMA, and Hayward is a looking like one of the worst contracts in the league after this season. Dude is a s of himself.

On the picks we have two late firsts to their three, a marginal upgrade.

Your right that the really issue is the
Inclusion of Tatum. Ainge.will do Ainge things and offer someone like Smart, which will piss the Pels off. i mean I don’t blame Bos for wanting to pair those two together, but then that opens up the possibility of other suitors, including the spurs

[HarlemHeat37]

I haven't looked up contracts, but off the top:

- Charlotte would easily give up Batum and his terrible deal, they would probably add a sweetener in exchange for DeRozan or Aldridge to help keep them relevant..

Alternatively, Biyombo and Marvin Williams have less years on their bad deals IIRC, so you could take that to get space earlier..the problem is that the team would become a bottom-feeder, which Pop wouldn't condone..

- Cleveland has Tristan Thompson and JR Smith's bad deals on less years, maybe they would take DD since they'll never sign a notable FA

- Pistons have Drummond and Jackson on terrible contracts..they'll never sign a notable FA, so DeRozan would be a nice get for them..

- Miami is loaded with bad contracts..Pat Riley would love either LA or DeRozan..

- Portland has dead weight in Evan Turner and Meyers Leonard, maybe they would take Aldridge back if they believe they're a piece away..

That's it IMO

[CGD]

Besides, Murray is coming off an ACL tear, white is 24 already, and walker while he shows promises had a pretty unspectacular rookie year. I guarantee you any GM would rather have Tatum/Brown and a Celtics big contract over LA and any of the Spurs young players

I’m not sure Murray coming off the ACL thing is worse than Brown playing the whole season and having a down year. I can see some teams seeing Murray having greater value as between the two.

Also, Tatum is the greater talent. To be clear. But let’s not act as if he didn’t have a down year either, fell in love with the 3 ball, etc. Case and point: Boston’s lackluster season.

[tholdren]

I think this is the downside of the spurs from a business standpoint. They know what they have in the roster. They dont sell high. Should have traded lma last year. Uncertain why they thought he could make a run in the playoffs. Basketball can easily be won in this era with physical players.

[CGD]

I think this is the downside of the spurs from a business standpoint. They know what they have in the roster. They dont sell high. Should have traded lma last year. Uncertain why they thought he could make a run in the playoffs. Basketball can easily be won in this era with physical players.

Agree. Like right now is the time to sell high on someone like Forbes, but instead get a long term deal I’m sure.

[sasaint]

Jerry West ain't that stupid



We should've traded for Beal. Beal is a better 3-point shooter, can play off the ball and better defender than DeRozan while also being younger and giving you the same playmaking

I would have liked Beal, too. I would have offered the Wiz LMA, Dumbmar and one of our young guards for Beal and Porter. I think that would have gotten the deal done, or at least been intriguing enough starting point to structure a deal.

[monty4329]

Why? Your stuck in summer 2018 mode. Things are different a year later:

- thanks to Kings great season Boston three first are late and in a “ ty” draft. They depleated their meaningful assets after this summer.

- what filler that is that much better than LMA can boston send? Hayward? Hortford? Morris? Not really that much better honestly and some of those deals are longer. LMA’s deal also gives Pels excellent flexibility to move on after next year with the partial guarantee.

- and for the current assets. yes, I think Tatum is better than any of White, Murray, and Lonnie. But our young guys (even Forbes and Poertl) have increased their values a lot. As for Boston’s next best young player, Brown, he’s really had a down year. I don’t think his stock will be viewed as that much higher (if at all) than say a Murray or White.

Obviously the spurs would have to give up a lot for a chance to sell AD. I think it’s worth it.

OK say you trade LMA + White/DJ + filler, for AD. You don't make the PO or max #7 again.
He then leaves for LA anyway.

You don't have a young asset, no center, and some 25 mil free to pay nobody, since for the 2020 summer there will be only a couple semi-good FAs.

[monty4329]

I would have liked Beal, too. I would have offered the Wiz LMA, Dumbmar and one of our young guards for Beal and Porter. I think that would have gotten the deal done, or at least been intriguing enough starting point to structure a deal.

Hard to see WAS trade Beal if not for young assets. They have zero chance at making the PO anyway next year, if Beal gone (Wall is out).

[tholdren]

Agree. Like right now is the time to sell high on someone like Forbes, but instead get a long term deal I’m sure.

Or sign trade gay.

[sasaint]

Hard to see WAS trade Beal if not for young assets. They have zero chance at making the PO anyway next year, if Beal gone (Wall is out).

I think giving them one of our young guards is a young asset. I can't see them taking Dumbmar and wanting 2 of our young guards, also. Our other assets are two first round picks this season. Like I said I think the deal I proposed would have, at the very least, provided a framework for getting a deal done. If it required more, I would listen to any counter offer they wanted to make. I add #29 without blinking or even #19 without much hesitation. Both? Maybe. Remember, I am offering a trade idea for a deal prior to our dumping Pau. If we had had to finish the season with Poodle, Pau, Eubanks and Rudy as our bigs, I would have been okay with that for one season.

[CGD]

OK say you trade LMA + White/DJ + filler, for AD. You don't make the PO or max #7 again.
He then leaves for LA anyway.

You don't have a young asset, no center, and some 25 mil free to pay nobody, since for the 2020 summer there will be only a couple semi-good FAs.

In my mind we functionally don’t have a starting caliber center after next season Anyway. I pray that a year after next we are not riding with LMA. be like 36. I suspect that was some of the rationale for the partial guarantee too.

With respect to Murray v White. That will suck. It is also feels inevitable.

[monty4329]

I think giving them one of our young guards is a young asset. I can't see them taking Dumbmar and wanting 2 of our young guards, also. Our other assets are two first round picks this season. Like I said I think the deal I proposed would have, at the very least, provided a framework for getting a deal done. If it required more, I would listen to any counter offer they wanted to make. I add #29 without blinking or even #19 without much hesitation. Both? Maybe. Remember, I am offering a trade idea for a deal prior to our dumping Pau. If we had had to finish the season with Poodle, Pau, Eubanks and Rudy as our bigs, I would have been okay with that for one season.

Yes but look what the Clips got for a couple months of Harris...WAS will want way more for two years of Beal.

Unless they value LMA and his All-Star pedigree more than his salary (which is a bargain, frankly).

[monty4329]

In my mind we functionally don’t have a starting caliber center after next season Anyway. I pray that a year after next we are not riding with LMA. be like 36. I suspect that was some of the rationale for the partial guarantee too.

With respect to Murray v White. That will suck. It is also feels inevitable.

At 22 mil, LMA is a bargain next year. The problem is DDR. If he somehow goes, then it will be a completely different team, where LMA can do well.

Yes, one between White and Murray will probably be redundant in a couple years. White at 24 doesn't have much room to improve, I guess, so he will possibly be the one who goes. But so far Murray is little more than hype, and no shooting.

[CGD]

At 22 mil, LMA is a bargain next year. The problem is DDR. If he somehow goes, then it will be a completely different team, where LMA can do well.

Yes, one between White and Murray will probably be redundant in a couple years. White at 24 doesn't have much room to improve, I guess, so he will possibly be the one who goes. But so far Murray is little more than hype, and no shooting.

If DDR expresses and interest to go, I think he’ll have some value, alone (without including assets), that LMA will. That would be one of those blessings in disguise. Extracting value for LMA will be harder, which is why the risky 1 year AD rental context presents an interesting opportunity.

[monty4329]

Warriors might be interested in LMA. They'll probably lose Durant, have no center and will badly need a proficient one.

[DAF86]

I think there are teams out there that would be willing to take both these guys off our hands but Pop Will never even consider the option. The better question is what moves, that PATFO would consider, can make us the best possible team around LA and DD.

And I think it all comes down to that 3 and D guy we were asking for all season long. Something like Belinelli and Mills for Covington would be ideal:

Murray, White, DeRozan, Covington, Aldridge
Forbes, Walker, Bertans, Gay, Poeltl

I could see that team being good enough to get a very good regular season record and maybe even win a playoffs series if the opponent is bad enough.

But we all know Mills isn't going anywhere. The most likely trade chips, considered by PATFO, are Belinelli (or at least I want to think so) and Bertans (unfortunately).

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Toronto couldn't believe their luck when the Spurs came a knockin'. It's very rare for a team so desperate to take your dead weight off your hands. Yea no one is trading for aldridge or DeFrozan.

And Philly yesterday kind of probably thought what if they had given someone serious to the Spurs when trade conversations happened. Guy torched them left and right.

[sasaint]

Yes but look what the Clips got for a couple months of Harris...WAS will want way more for two years of Beal.

Unless they value LMA and his All-Star pedigree more than his salary (which is a bargain, frankly).

Beal is but one part of what the Wiz would give up. The deal I proposed was: LMA + Dumbmar + Young Guard for Beal + Porter. I think that gets interest. If you add #29, that's a little better. If you add #19 instead of #29, better still. But LMA + Dumbmar + Young Guard + #19 + #29 for Beal and Porter might even be a slight overpay. What did Chicago give for OPJ - Jabari Parker and Bobby Portis, a gimpy tweener with an at ude and a guy who has settled into being a decent player also with an at ude who once flashed more potential than he has really realized. Not exactly a haul.

[sasaint]

And Philly yesterday kind of probably thought what if they had given someone serious to the Spurs when trade conversations happened. Guy torched them left and right.

Absolutely. No doubt.

[DavidTheGoliath]

Jerry West ain't that stupid

I know lol

Clips are looking to be raped, sure, let's make the call

Yeah definitely not gonna happen. Jerry is an OG, he does the raping tbh

[Stabula]

Sounds like we're ed for the next 5ish years

[Clipper Nation]

I tried DePression for Gallinari and Harrell on ESPN trade machine and it worked. So theres that

In real life, our front office would laugh the Spurs off the phone.