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    Guys,


    We’ve lost sight of what is really important here :





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    Woohoooooooo

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    Guys,


    We’ve lost sight of what is really important here :





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    Woohoooooooo
    the only eye candly left is wanda's cleavage which is always emphasized

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    Guys,


    We’ve lost sight of what is really important here :





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    Woohoooooooo


    she’s coming back somehow though, right? isn’t she getting her own movie?

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    the only eye candly left is wanda's cleavage which is always emphasized
    Only eye candy I need is ant man punching a leviathan

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    idc about comic book movies. this was better than i thought it would be.

    when thanos had the gauntlet he should’ve just rewound time to when no one was near enough to take the gauntlet off... simple...

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    The ending definitely doesn't make sense the more I've read up on what happened.

    Cap goes back to the 40's and stays; ages naturally, and appears at Starks funeral with an intact shield that he stole from the Cap from the timeline he went back to. He let horrible things happen, including the snap and inevitably and indirectly killing alt timeline Cap. Also wiped Peggy's kids out of existence. Old cap was just waiting for all those to come to the funeral to give Falcon the shield.
    so, the Avengers movie uses the many worlds approach to avoid the grandfather paradox. but the way that the "many worlds approach" is that there should be another version of you in a parallel universe that is completely unaware of the other you. and this seems to be the case with rogers when he fights himself in the new york battle scene but not at all the case when rogers goes back to live the life he would have had otherwise. so, there are several problems here:


    1) do both versions of rogers somehow have a seperate consciousness?


    2) was carter supposed to have had another husband that steve wipes away or is he the somehow very clandestine husband?


    2) clearly, rogers retains his memories so that entails that he just sat by and let bucky get tortured by hydra- so much for "i'm with you to the end of the line".

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    2) clearly, rogers retains his memories so that entails that he just sat by and let bucky get tortured by hydra- so much for "i'm with you to the end of the line".
    how do you know he didnt alter that timeline and change all sorts of things? he already altered it by marrying peggy. who's to say he didnt stop hydra early, didnt warn people about tesseract/loki/thanos/ultron, etc?

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    she’s coming back somehow though, right? isn’t she getting her own movie?
    She is

    It's going to be a pre-IW movie given what's happened in EndGame

    We didn't see Nat's funeral, It would be cool if they opened the BW movie with that

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    Q: Peggy Carter was probably already married and in her mid 40s in 1970, in that case what year was it that Captain America went back to dance with her?
    A: We can't answer it for now, this is a story that happened in an alternate reality. Maybe it will be revealed in the future.


    Q: Did Captain America's action at the end affect the timeline? Does that mean there was a time where two CA existed in a same universe?
    A: To me, CA's action in the end wasn't the fact he wanted to change anything, it's more like me has made a choice. He chose to go back to past and lived with the one he loved for the rest of his life. The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality. He lived a completely different life in that world. We don't know how exactly his life turned out, but I'd like to believe he still helped many others when they were needed in that world. Yes, there were two CA in that reality, it's just like what Hulk said, what happened in the past has already happened. If you go back to past, you simply created a new reality. The characters in this movie created new timeline when they went back to the past, but it had no effect to the prime universe. What happened in the past 22 movies was still canon.

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    Q: Peggy Carter was probably already married and in her mid 40s in 1970, in that case what year was it that Captain America went back to dance with her?
    A: We can't answer it for now, this is a story that happened in an alternate reality. Maybe it will be revealed in the future.


    Q: Did Captain America's action at the end affect the timeline? Does that mean there was a time where two CA existed in a same universe?
    A: To me, CA's action in the end wasn't the fact he wanted to change anything, it's more like me has made a choice. He chose to go back to past and lived with the one he loved for the rest of his life. The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality. He lived a completely different life in that world. We don't know how exactly his life turned out, but I'd like to believe he still helped many others when they were needed in that world. Yes, there were two CA in that reality, it's just like what Hulk said, what happened in the past has already happened. If you go back to past, you simply created a new reality. The characters in this movie created new timeline when they went back to the past, but it had no effect to the prime universe. What happened in the past 22 movies was still canon.
    That just supports my belief that all the dead heroes should have been brought back even more.

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    That just supports my belief that all the dead heroes should have been brought back even more.
    it all makes sense as long as you dont care about pissing off others in the alternate timelines.

    i mean they had to get rid of characters, cant have everyone get old and retire like cap
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    That just supports my belief that all the dead heroes should have been brought back even more.
    How could they do that without creating another timeline where the dead heroes are missing? It worked for 2014 Gamora because that timeline has no GotG now so literally noone from 2014 is missing her. And she wasn't even the same Gamora that got killed in IW

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    how do you know he didnt alter that timeline and change all sorts of things? he already altered it by marrying peggy. who's to say he didnt stop hydra early, didnt warn people about tesseract/loki/thanos/ultron, etc?
    well, he clearly didn't alter bucky's timeline as bucky goes on to become the winter soldier. he also didn't stop ultron or anything else because he's clearly in the same timeline as the captain america rogers (again, but they have seperate consciousness?). if he wasn't there was no way he could have met up with sam and bucky at the end because he did not get there through the portal. but he may have altered peggy's (and therefore countless others) timeline. in fact, the only way he didn't is if he is the one she marries but then that assumes she stayed single up until they meet again, he is kept a secret and she also has to agree to not get involved in all of the events that rogers has knowledge of. all so that they can fulfill roger's wish to get to dance with a woman she had a crush on. but yes, the grandfather paradox that is supposedly removed really isn't in the case of rogers. and then there's the whole gamora and loki scenarios that created their own set of problems.

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    well, he clearly didn't alter bucky's timeline as bucky goes on to become the winter soldier. but he may have altered peggy's (and therefore countless others) timeline. in fact, the only way he didn't is if he is the one she marries but then that assumes she stayed single up until they meet again, he is kept a secret and she also has to agree to not get involved in all of the events that rogers has knowledge of. all so that they can fulfill roger's wish to get to dance with a woman she had a crush on. but yes, the grandfather paradox that is supposedly removed really isn't in the case of rogers. and then there's the whole gamora and loki scenarios that created their own set of problems.
    That's not how it works, the timeline he settled down in was separate from the prime timeline. We don't know what he did in his marriage timeline, because it was completely disconnected

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    That's not how it works, the timeline he settled down in was separate from the prime timeline. We don't know what he did in his marriage timeline, because it was completely disconnected

    then how did he arrive in the same timeline at the end of the film?

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    then how did he arrive in the same timeline at the end of the film?
    the time gps on his wrist, the same way they all got back after the initial heist

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    there are also other time problems not related to travel such as how it is that ned (parker's friend) is still in the same grade.

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    there are also other time problems not related to travel such as how it is that ned (parker's friend) is still in the same grade.
    c'mon that's easy, he got snapped too

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    well, he clearly didn't alter bucky's timeline as bucky goes on to become the winter soldier. he also didn't stop ultron or anything else because he's clearly in the same timeline as the captain america rogers (again, but they have seperate consciousness?).
    how could you possibly know that he didnt alter bucky/ultron. we dont see what happened in that timeline after he dances with peggy. for all we know its radically different

    if he wasn't there was no way he could have met up with sam and bucky at the end because he did not get there through the portal. but he may have altered peggy's (and therefore countless others) timeline. in fact, the only way he didn't is if he is the one she marries but then that assumes she stayed single up until they meet again, he is kept a secret and she also has to agree to not get involved in all of the events that rogers has knowledge of. all so that they can fulfill roger's wish to get to dance with a woman she had a crush on. but yes, the grandfather paradox that is supposedly removed really isn't in the case of rogers. and then there's the whole gamora and loki scenarios that created their own set of problems.
    its pretty clear he time-jumped into that spot. russo brothers confirmed that in the Q&A too. the movie was explicitly clear that you cant change your present by changing the past. they didnt suddenly retcon that mechanic in that scene.

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    c'mon that's easy, he got snapped too
    then why does he seem so happy to see parker? the scene certainly suggests that ned was surprised to see that parker was still alive after all.

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    Q: Did Captain America's action at the end affect the timeline? Does that mean there was a time where two CA existed in a same universe?

    A: To me, CA's action in the end wasn't the fact he wanted to change anything, it's more like me has made a choice. He chose to go back to past and lived with the one he loved for the rest of his life. The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality. He lived a completely different life in that world. We don't know how exactly his life turned out, but I'd like to believe he still helped many others when they were needed in that world. Yes, there were two CA in that reality, it's just like what Hulk said, what happened in the past has already happened. If you go back to past, you simply created a new reality. The characters in this movie created new timeline when they went back to the past, but it had no effect to the prime universe. What happened in the past 22 movies was still canon.

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    then why does he seem so happy to see parker? the scene certainly suggests that ned was surprised to see that parker was still alive after all.
    because waking up after a 5 year coma is probably a mind . He had no way of knowing if Peter was the same or a colleged age Peter Parker.

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    then why does he seem so happy to see parker? the scene certainly suggests that ned was surprised to see that parker was still alive after all.
    you know, if i went to bed tonight, and then when i woke up, realized its actually the year 2024, read about the fact that i, as well as much of my family/friends had actually died, and only recently came back, and it's been 5 years... i'd be happy to see my best friend too.

    especially considering spiderman was part of the final battle against thanos and easily could have died during said battle

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    How could they do that without creating another timeline where the dead heroes are missing? It worked for 2014 Gamora because that timeline has no GotG now so literally noone from 2014 is missing her. And she wasn't even the same Gamora that got killed in IW
    Again, get them right before they are killed. What is the downside?

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    because waking up after a 5 year coma is probably a mind . He had no way of knowing if Peter was the same or a colleged age Peter Parker.
    we'll certainly see more in the upcoming spider man film, which if it is set after endgame, will have to be the year 2023 or after. it will be interesting to see if there is any reference to that time frame from any of the characters of if the writers will just skip over it.

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