Spurs Draft Discussion: 2019 NBA Draft

[Degoat]

I don’t have a problem going with a euro player but if Pop only has a short time left coaching the spurs, id like the two players that we select with are 2 first round picks to be on the team this upcoming season even if they spend most of their time in the g league

[exstatic]

There's no upside to staying in Europe outside of saving the NBA team money/roster spots.

For a player that green and that young? Sure there is. Not much different than a one and done who doesn’t quite make the grade, and goes back to school.

[Chinook]

For a player that green and that young? Sure there is. Not much different than a one and done who doesn’t quite make the grade, and goes back to school.

Nope. Very different. First, staying in school is bad unless you weren't going to be drafted at all, and getting drafted and staying overseas means one team still has your rights.

[RC_Drunkford]

I really want them to draft Hachimura. Averaging 20 points per game in his 3rd college year, I think his game can translate well to the NBA and he could be able to play minutes in his rookie year

[BackHome]

I think our first pick will be either Rui, Goga, or Louis King

[DPG21920]

I feel like Rui will go top 15, maybe top 10.

[Kurgan]

There's no upside to staying in Europe outside of saving the NBA team money/roster spots.

This is true. Splitter and Bertans were stashed in Europe and it didn't do them any good. They both still had to waste their rookie year in D-League while acclimating to the NBA despite being experienced Euros.

[objective]

I think our first pick will be either Rui, Goga, or Louis King

King is pretty interesting

Tore his meniscus January of his senior year in high school, probably still recovering during early part of freshman year. Depressed asset like Walker was with his injury to start his college career.

Looks kind of like a skinny James Anderson

EDIT : corrected that he had a meniscus injury not ACL like I had thought

[Immortal Spur]

I want Goga or Rui for 19.

[smaka]

Right, but as a late first or second round pick, he won't make enough to cover his buyout, so he'll have to stay in Europe, most likely. Most of the European contracts that I've heard of have a high payoff for someone that young. If he gets drafted with our #29 pick, he'll be paid just a bit over $1M for his first year. That might not even cover the buyout. He'd have to stay in Europe.

I don't know how much is the buyout of his contract, so what I'm about to write is just my speculation: the team he plays for could not offer him as much money as many Euro clubs easily could, neither could the team offer the highest level of compe ion (no Eurocup or Euroleague). What the team could offer him is a lot of playtime, and, maybe (here my speculation starts!) he could have negotiated a lower NBA buyout than he could with teams that could offer him more money and Euroleague/cup.
That's my wild guess because many were surprised how a team like that could afford bringing a talent like Samanic.

That's just a ridiculously good write up. Especially since I know you know what you're talking about. Thanks for taking the time.

Thanks man I'm happy to share info since I've watched him basically every single game this season.

[exstatic]

Nope. Very different. First, staying in school is bad unless you weren't going to be drafted at all, and getting drafted and staying overseas means one team still has your rights.

You missed my point. I wasn’t suggesting that he stay in the draft, and let a team select him. He’s so raw and unprepared that he should just withdraw, and try again next year.

[kobyz]

I really doubt Claxton would be there. You want him, start thinking about using 29. He might well be a good pick there, some really nice skills for his age & size.

I would not touch him with a first, to erratic with weak body, reminds me Christian Wood

[Chinook]

You missed my point. I wasn’t suggesting that he stay in the draft, and let a team select him. He’s so raw and unprepared that he should just withdraw, and try again next year.

The buyout thing is likely not an issue. The Spurs can pay $700k this year without affecting either the player's take-home or the salary cap. No idea if that's enough, but it usually is. Most Euro teams that sign these prospects do so knowing they will try to go the NBA and rather than using the buyout to stop them, they just want to make as much money off the move as possible. Cases like Rubio where both the player and the NBA team want the player to come over but the Euro team prevents it are extremely rare.

With that in mind, no, it's not better to stay in Europe. I think the initial discussion about him staying was as a stash rather than you saying it as him just withdrawing. In that regard, it's all about what promise he gets. If no one gives him a promise that makes sense, then trying again next year makes sense. But it doesn't pay to forego and earning year in the NBA hoping to have a higher launching point. Even as a second-rounder, take the one-year deal, develop in the d-league, and instantly start making more than rookie-scale your second year.

[exstatic]

The buyout thing is likely not an issue. The Spurs can pay $700k this year without affecting either the player's take-home or the salary cap. No idea if that's enough, but it usually is. Most Euro teams that sign these prospects do so knowing they will try to go the NBA and rather than using the buyout to stop them, they just want to make as much money off the move as possible. Cases like Rubio where both the player and the NBA team want the player to come over but the Euro team prevents it are extremely rare.

With that in mind, no, it's not better to stay in Europe. I think the initial discussion about him staying was as a stash rather than you saying it as him just withdrawing. In that regard, it's all about what promise he gets. If no one gives him a promise that makes sense, then trying again next year makes sense. But it doesn't pay to forego and earning year in the NBA hoping to have a higher launching point. Even as a second-rounder, take the one-year deal, develop in the d-league, and instantly start making more than rookie-scale your second year.

Scola.

No team will offer a one year deal to a second rounder. You don't even get early Bird rights with that, and there's no point in putting in any development work for such a short deal. The team only has to offer a contract under the CBA. Nothing says that the parties have to agree on the length or guarantees. If he's that green, he'll likely be offered a 2 year, 1st guaranteed minimum deal. He can sign it or stay in Europe.

[Blackhaus]

Trade both our firsts to move up and get Rui, he will be a stud and is ready to contribute. Reports are he already got over himself so he’s got spurs material written all over him.

[Chinook]

Scola.

That was multiple CBAs ago before the buyout market between NBA and Euro teams was standardized.

No team will offer a one year deal to a second rounder. You don't even get early Bird rights with that, and there's no point in putting in any development work for such a short deal. The team only has to offer a contract under the CBA. Nothing says that the parties have to agree on the length or guarantees. If he's that green, he'll likely be offered a 2 year, 1st guaranteed minimum deal. He can sign it or stay in Europe.

This isn't the way the CBA works. Teams HAVE to offer a one-year deal in addition to any other deal. Metu was offered a one-year deal in addition to his three-year deal. It's essentially the draft-pick version of a QO. The only saving grace to your argument is that an NBA team does NOT have to contribute to a buyout, so the team could offer to only do so if the player signed a multi-year deal. For some players it might not be feasible to make the jump without that help, and some front offices might just be terrible enough to play that type of hard ball. Even so, there is little downside to a player signing a two-year deal like that rather than saying in Europe. Even a second-year min in the NBA is decent money. Only guys who would reject it are those like Milutinov who already make more where they are, but then again, those players wouldn't be offered lesser deals anyway.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ASKING rookies to get over themselves, when they barely get minutes in the first 2 years here, unless injuries happen to the main players on the roster

then again shouldnt it be the other way around, when is coach going to get over himself?

[look_at_g_shred]

ASKING rookies to get over themselves, when they barely get minutes in the first 2 years here, unless injuries happen to the main players on the roster

then again shouldnt it be the other way around, when is coach going to get over himself?

Yea he acts like this team is fighting for a championship and the window is closing. It was diff when we had the big 3 for rookies to stay at the end of the bench. It's time for our rooks to see the floor and get actual minutes. There's nothing bad that can come out of getting real NBA experience. The times are changing. If pop truly coming back to set the franchise up for success, then developing young talent for the future is the best option.

[RC_Drunkford]

ASKING rookies to get over themselves, when they barely get minutes in the first 2 years here, unless injuries happen to the main players on the roster

then again shouldnt it be the other way around, when is coach going to get over himself?

Pop is a dictator. Part of the "getting over yourself" process is not giving young players minutes and sending them to the G-League. It's his way of humbling them. Remember how Murray became a starter? Cause Parker went to Pop and told him to start Dejounte. Not cause Pop thought Parker fell off a cliff and wanted to start Dejounte. Pop loves washed up veterans and will always play them over young talent

[Drom John]

Fansided: NBA: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: When simulating the lottery gets wonky
by Brendon Kleen 7 hours ago [AKA 2 May 2019]

29
Daniel Gafford
C, Arkansas
Arkansas

The Spurs find another mobile, defensive-minded center to pair with Jakob Poeltl and the rest of their young core going forward.

19
Rui Hachimura
F, Gonzaga
Gonzaga

The heir apparent to Rudy Gay and DeMar DeRozan falls into San Antonio’s lap.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft: NBA Draft 2019: 1st-Round Mock Draft, Landing Spots for Coveted Prospects
Maurice Bobb
May 2, 2019

20. San Antonio Spurs: Grant Williams, PF, Tennesse

29. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto): Luguentz Dort, SG, Arizona State

[Drom John]

SB Nation: 2019 Pacific Takes NBA mock draft 5/2/19: Oregon’s Bol Bol first Pac-12 player off the board
No Pac-12 players go in the first half of the first round.
By Jack Follman May 2, 2019, 6:16am PDT

19 San Antonio - PJ Washington PF Kentucky

29 San Antonio - Naz Reid C LSU

[wildbill2u]

Forget about the skills for a draftee---there are some really really great names out there. It would be great to see a Spurs unit on the court named, Rui Goga Pol Pol and Hachimura and Hanga.

[Dex]

My prediction: this thread gets to about 80 pages and the Spurs draft some guy we've never heard of before.

[exstatic]

My prediction: this thread gets to about 80 pages and the Spurs draft some guy we've never heard of before.

Worked out with Derrick White.