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    Those 3 and D guys could be either Thabo Sefolosha or Trevor Ariza.

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    This starting five is good defensively but has no spacing whatsoever. If you play against them you just put all five of your guys in the paint ))
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    The floor opens up without DeRozan, giving everybody better looks. I don't think you need to replace DeRozan with a 20 ppg guy. A 12-15 ppg guy who plays D and shoots threes would make it much more difficult to double team Aldridge, and give White, Murray, Walker, Gay, etc., more space in the paint. So 9 more points total from the top 7 players combined plus 12 from his replacement = 21.
    And if Klay replaced DeRozan, the Spurs would be drastically better... those assist & rebound numbers wouldn't mean anything.
    You're looking at another 2001 disaster: plenty of shooters and literally NO creators. The Lakers ing shredded that team in the playoffs. You need guys who can shoot, AND create, at least for themselves, if not for others. If Dejounte's shot is as improved as rumored, and White improves just a little beyond the arc, we'll have that spacing that we need, and a couple of players that can punish closeouts, and space the floor for our mid range duo.

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    You're looking at another 2001 disaster: plenty of shooters and literally NO creators. The Lakers ing shredded that team in the playoffs. You need guys who can shoot, AND create, at least for themselves, if not for others. If Dejounte's shot is as improved as rumored, and White improves just a little beyond the arc, we'll have that spacing that we need, and a couple of players that can punish closeouts, and space the floor for our mid range duo.
    On top of this how far along does Walker come this offseason he can drive to the hole fairly well

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    This starting five is good defensively but has no spacing whatsoever. If you play against them you just put all five of your guys in the paint ))
    The idea is that White, Murray and Sefolosha would be, at least, average level threats as 3pt shooters.

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    The idea is that White, Murray and Sefolosha would be, at least, average level threats as 3pt shooters.
    But they are not.
    1) Sefolosha made less than 1 three pointer a game each of his 15 seasons except 12/13 when he made 1.3. He is a complete liability offensively. In this playoffs he made 1 three-pointer the whole series, and in that game he was -18.
    2) I like White. He is a good defender, a good driver, above-average passer and shot creator. But he can't spread the floor. He only made 0.7 long balls per game this season with a bad percentage. In the playoffs Denver dared him to shoot from 3 by the end of the series and he could not respond.
    3) Last season Murray attempted just 0.4 threes per game with a horrific percentage of 26%. Yes, I've heard about his improvement but betting on magical progress (and for a player with his shooting mechanics it has to be magical) seems like a long shot.

    Betting on those 3 players to provide floor spacing for our 2pt specialist max guys is a very very very risky idea.
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    Somebody mentioned Hezonja. Any chance Taurean Prince can be had with the MLE?

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    But they are not.
    1) Sefolosha made less than 1 three pointer a game each of his 15 seasons except 12/13 when he made 1.3. He is a complete liability offensively. In this playoffs he made 1 three-pointer the whole season, and in that game he was -18.
    2) I like White. He is a good defender, a good driver, above-average passer and shot creator. But he can't spread the floor. He only made 0.7 long balls per game this season with a bad percentage. In the playoffs Denver dared him to shoot from 3 by the end of the series and he could not respond.
    3) Last season Murray attempted just 0.4 threes per game with a horrific percentage of 26%. Yes, I've heard about his improvement but betting on magical progress (and for a player with his shooting mechanics it has to be magical) seems like a long shot.

    Betting on those 3 players to provide floor spacing for our 2pt specialist max guys is a very very very risky idea.
    A lineup with White, Murray, Sefolosha, should have just as much, if not more, volume 3pt shooting than a lineup with only White and Forbes as 3pt shooters, which is the lineup we finished with, tbh.

    If it doesn't work, you can always switch things up; but first I would rather try to see if defenders can knock down shots, than seeing shooters never being able to defend.

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    But they are not.
    1) Sefolosha made less than 1 three pointer a game each of his 15 seasons except 12/13 when he made 1.3. He is a complete liability offensively. In this playoffs he made 1 three-pointer the whole season, and in that game he was -18.
    2) I like White. He is a good defender, a good driver, above-average passer and shot creator. But he can't spread the floor. He only made 0.7 long balls per game this season with a bad percentage. In the playoffs Denver dared him to shoot from 3 by the end of the series and he could not respond.
    3) Last season Murray attempted just 0.4 threes per game with a horrific percentage of 26%. Yes, I've heard about his improvement but betting on magical progress (and for a player with his shooting mechanics it has to be magical) seems like a long shot.

    Betting on those 3 players to provide floor spacing for our 2pt specialist max guys is a very very very risky idea.
    I'd bet on White being closer to his career 36.1%, just a smidgen above league average, than last year's percentage. Shooting is very much a function of your base and stance, both of which would have been affected by his PF flares in both feet.

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    I'd bet on White being closer to his career 36.1%, just a smidgen above league average, than last year's percentage. Shooting is very much a function of your base and stance, both of which would have been affected by his PF flares in both feet.
    I had Plantar fasciitis once, and it was so distracting that it made most normal tasks more difficult, nevermind actually doing something athletic.

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    Suns looking to trade josh jackson. Would you do it for Marco? I would but I dont know if Pheonix would. They want to get rid of him which is why they might. If they wanted Patty would do that as well as they would have the cap space to absorb the difference.

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    Suns looking to trade josh jackson. Would you do it for Marco? I would but I dont know if Pheonix would. They want to get rid of him which is why they might. If they wanted Patty would do that as well as they would have the cap space to absorb the difference.
    Read that he got arrested in Miami. But if the Suns get Zion, he’ll be easier to get I guess.

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    from what I have seen that is part of the reason they are trying to trade him. It would not be your typical spur player but it was not to bad and would give us a good defender who has some offense game but has not developed like hoped.

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    why do you guys want Sefolosha as a Power Forward? Marcus Morris or Thad Young make way more sense

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    I'd bet on White being closer to his career 36.1%, just a smidgen above league average, than last year's percentage. Shooting is very much a function of your base and stance, both of which would have been affected by his PF flares in both feet.
    Sure. I hope he improves too but in the proposed lineup he's the best shooter, and "a smidgen above league average" is not enough for this role.
    Also I just think stretching the floor is a waste of his talents. Sure he should attempt 2 or 3 per game but he should drive to the hoop in most cases.

    Our situation is unique. Our stars don't shoot 3s at all. We can't afford having 3 reluctant shooters on the floor with them. That's exactly why our roster this season was filled with one-dimensional shooters. Only with role players shooting & truly stretching the floor we can survive in today's league offensively.

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    why do you guys want Sefolosha as a Power Forward? Marcus Morris or Thad Young make way more sense
    Sefolosha is done and can't shoot. We shouldn't go near him.
    I still don't fully trust Morris but he's a much better fit

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    A lineup with White, Murray, Sefolosha, should have just as much, if not more, volume 3pt shooting than a lineup with only White and Forbes as 3pt shooters, which is the lineup we finished with, tbh.
    No it won't be. Forbes is the real volume 3pt shooter. That's exactly why he played so many minutes.
    Sefolosha don't shoot at all. Murray when he actually played ball on the court couldn't shoot at all. White is better but still nobody is afraid of his threes.
    I'd rather go super small and start Murray + White + Forbes. Or try someone like Morris as proposed above.

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    Morris makes sense because he can play against bigger 3's but he cak also play along side our two bigs in the front court. Thad Young I really like but don't like him in our current makeup. He is more of a cutting, slashing midrange guy. I think his corner threes are good but you really need to play to each player's strengths, rather than forcing a need.

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    Morris makes sense because he can play against bigger 3's but he cak also play along side our two bigs in the front court. Thad Young I really like but don't like him in our current makeup. He is more of a cutting, slashing midrange guy. I think his corner threes are good but you really need to play to each player's strengths, rather than forcing a need.
    He does but I don’t see him coming to us with all those KD Knicks rumored proposals. He’s in demand

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    He does but I don’t see him coming to us with all those KD Knicks rumored proposals. He’s in demand
    Have I missed something. What does kd Knicks got to do with Morris?

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    Have I missed something. What does kd Knicks got to do with Morris?
    Just rumors that Knicks may be getting Morris as well.
    Anyway he was like top3 Celtic in terms of consistency this season; he’ll have options. Not sure he’ll choose SAS

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    Just rumors that Knicks may be getting Morris as well.
    Anyway he was like top3 Celtic in terms of consistency this season; he’ll have options. Not sure he’ll choose SAS
    I thought the rumor was KD and either kyrie, Kemba, or butler? If they get KD and any if those guys I don't think they will have room to sign Morris.

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    Read that he got arrested in Miami. But if the Suns get Zion, he’ll be easier to get I guess.
    He got arrested, and fled still wearing the cuffs. Supposedly, he repeatedly tried to get into the VIP section of a music fest, and was rebuffed. I'm not sure he's a bad guy or anything, but he strikes me as a major idiot. The way cops are in this country now, evading arrest can get you shot dead, rather quickly if you're black.

    The Spurs would be able to get a real background picture on him, if they choose to. He went to KU, and Bill Self is besties with RC.

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    I thought the rumor was KD and either kyrie, Kemba, or butler? If they get KD and any if those guys I don't think they will have room to sign Morris.
    You never know with the Knicks. They always find a way to do something stupid.

    Multiple league sources tell NBC Sports Boston that the Knicks, a team with plenty of roster holes to fill this offseason, have interest in at least two other Celtics players besides Irving — Marcus Morris and Terry Rozier — who like Irving, will be free agents this summer.”

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    You never know with the Knicks. They always find a way to do something stupid.

    Multiple league sources tell NBC Sports Boston that the Knicks, a team with plenty of roster holes to fill this offseason, have interest in at least two other Celtics players besides Irving — Marcus Morris and Terry Rozier — who like Irving, will be free agents this summer.”
    Rozier and Morris are only options if they strike out on pairing a top tier FA with KD though.

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    Rozier and Morris are only options if they strike out on pairing a top tier FA with KD though.
    Rozier would be epically idiotic for them. Like they don’t already have undersized PGs who can barely pass or defend

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