No. Tim had shown what he was. Those guys have not. I also get what you’re saying but the odds of Simmons ever becoming Kawhi are small. Same with Tatum. Then to dump a ton of assets into Jimmy and Harris when they pose a similar flight risk (albeit not quite the same)?
The Sixers were willing to dump those assets for Kawhi, they weren't willing to dump Simmons or Embiid, which is what PATFO wanted.
Looking back would you prefer to have those assets, especially if you had the hindsight of knowing you could get Jimmy and Harris with them or would you still prefer DeRozan, Poeltl and pick? At the time I was pro-Philly trade package, even more so if I thought PATFO could have netted Jimmy and Harris for those guys.
Philly didn’t put Simmons, Embiid OR Fultz in the package. Numerous reports on that. It’s not apples to apples since I would not trade first round picks for Harris.
But, Saric has proven to be meh, so I like DeRozan/Poeltl and the pick to be honest.
Jimmy was Saric + Covington + 2nd rounder
Harris was Miami 2021 1st + Philly 2020 1st + Shamet (or just keep those assets if you don't like Harris much)
You think Philly wouldn't do Saric, Covington, Shamet, Miami 2021 1st and Philly 2020 1st for Kawhi when they were willing to do Saric, Convington and Miami 2021 1st. Letting them keep Fultz to get Shamet + 2020 1st instead wouldn't have been impossible to pull off.
If the Spurs would have waited for the season to start to trade Kawhi, they could have chosen between most of the guys they wanted (Brown, Fultz, Rozier, Tatum. Heck, maybe even Simmons or Iving).
if kawhi wins a championship with raptors against the injured gsw?
then all i can is patfo can go eat a , shouldve hold onto him and played out the year.... they panicked and loss
I can agree with this. I think all it would have taken is him having a good 7-10 games before teams would have been willing to offer good packages.
well never know tbh....no use worrying anymore we have derozan and poodle power now
Agreed. I'm one of the few that never believed it was possible to keep him.
i think they wouldve gotten more for kawhi, given how those targeted players played this season, all exposed as frauds and hype
ainge hording all this assets, only to end up not winning is fail
This is the thing, without knowing more of what happened, I'm having a hard time watching him at least half the time. Some days I hate him (maybe that is too strong a word, so I'll just say strongly dislike him), other days I somewhat like him again, but I don't love him like I used to and I doubt I ever will again (not unless I get more info on what really happened and if the Spurs were the ones mostly in the wrong, then maybe I can get somewhere in the vicinity of truly liking him again, but the way he handled asking out is what ruins it for me by killing his trade value). He was up there with Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili for me at one point during the 2016/2017 season, and if he had of stayed and kept playing like that season and how he is now in the playoffs, no doubt he would have ended up being one of my favourite Spurs players of all-time. Maybe not number 1, but in the top 3 or 4.
Also, I was strongly against trading him before the season started. Spurs should have held onto him and forced his hand. If they got a great offer, yeah, trade him, but since they didn't, there was no reason to trade him as early as they did. Man, I used to agree with Pop and the front office quite a bit, but somewhere in 2006 or so, when he went small against the Mavericks is when I slowly started to question stuff they were doing. Should have held onto him like the Pelicans have so far done with Anthony Davis. Maybe Dejounte doesn't get injured with Kawhi still on the team, and the Spurs could have ended up looking like a very strong finals contender with Kawhi and a full lineup.
how do u know?
patfo shouldve traded lma, he was never a spur to begin with
then u had parker and turnoboli who was already on the way out, patfo shouldve made up their mind quick instead of trying to play on with them, let the rebuild begin since the y ounger players on the team were hold back playing time due to pops loyalty to vets
i wonder what wouldve happen, had patfo got rid of lma, parker, turnoboli that summer....instead of trading kawhi... at leasts you can tank and rebuild around kawhi with better picks, or sign another fa
but if kawhis party wanted % ownership... then i can understand the owners not wanting to give up 1%... maybe sell 1% then yes, but not give away free 1%
when they loss to the mavs small ball, is when the dictator wanted to win with his version of small ball, he never got that backup 3 he wanted, he wasted multiple years draft picks looking for that backup pg till the year they landed kawhi trade... from 07 till 11/12 enrique era was patfo wasting tims years with their stupid decision making assembling a roster to compete...
Damn, some of you would have actually objected to giving Dennis a 1% ownership stake in exchange for Kawhi being a Spurs lifer?
I wouldn't have had a problem with that. I wouldn't have had a problem with Dennis getting a front office job either.Damn, some of you would have actually objected to giving Dennis a 1% ownership stake in exchange for Kawhi being a Spurs lifer?
Look at my early posts. I was one of the first people to call his injury bs and this was way back in December of '17. I had done a lot of research back then about his Uncle and Impact Sports and was convinced ultimately they were leaving. Uncle Dennis according to ESPN article done by Ramona Shelbourne/Michael C Wright last year had a history of starting with the Spurs in the past and seeing what he could get away with. According to the article former colleagues of him describe him as a difficult person to work with. My theory is that Uncle Dennis was poking the Spurs for years and the Spurs eventually took the bait and poked back which resulted in the destruction of the relationship with #2.
You are letting your hatred of PATFO,Parker,LMA, Manu blind you. I don't think PATFO made great moves in signing Mills,Gasol,Parker to those bad contracts but ultimately that was not the reason why #2 wanted to leave. The Spurs were not equipped to handle his entourage which included his uncle. I think that's the only thing you can fault the Spurs for but I don't blame them for that.
Ramona Shelbourne just stated today that the Clippers are still in the driver's seat and nothing has changed. If he stays in Toronto then you have the right to be angry at PATFO but if he bolts it's going to show the truth that he was bent on being in LA.
I wish we knew what actually happend.Guess well find out if kawhi goes to la or not
Not everybody is equipped to deal with the Lebron LRMR type of setup which Uncle Dennis was trying to run with the Spurs. I would have definitely said no in that situation.Damn, some of you would have actually objected to giving Dennis a 1% ownership stake in exchange for Kawhi being a Spurs lifer?
I just can't fully decide whether or not I hate him or like him due to not knowing what happened. It kind of leaves me in a state of flux every time I watch him. I've probably watched about 30% of the Raptors regular season games he played in just to see how he was going, and about 80% of their playoff games just because he's now finally playing some defense. Defense and offense combined is what made me a fan of his in the first place. Didn't like watching him during the regular season much cause he defense was nowhere near his best level.
WTF? I would have had a problem with someone trying to strong arm the best organization in the nba when he’s very clearly not qualified.
You think the problems would go away once you give in? No. They would get worse.
Not just that . Easy for posters to say I don't have a problem with it. It's not their money at stake. Lol
Pro teams have a business to run.
How many of those did he Load Manage? I disagree. Nothing about holding him until the start of this season would have been beneficial for the Spurs and getting a higher return, imo.
Appeasement never works. Toxic people just ask for more and more, and when the line is eventually gets drawn in the sand later, they still do whatever they want, in this case, pull Kawhi from the team. Uncle Dennis is a complete . My only regret is that the Spurs decided to try to make it work after the trade deadline, passing on Boston’s offer.
that core could 3-peat. Add Murray and Walker to the mix plus the usual bench production and we probably getting another 5 banners to the 5 we already gotWe could have been less than an hour away from a White, Green, Kawhi, Gay, Aldridge vs a Durantless Warriors series.Uncle Dennis
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