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Could Spurs work a DeRozan for Kawhi S&T?
Pop created the way Kawhi developed. Maybe if with different coach he would not be as great defensive player and more concentrated on O? Who knows. But damn all work was done in San Antonio. Now with this freedom of his ... We will see where he goes from here.
He most definitely bounce back in g2 though
Could Spurs work a DeRozan for Kawhi S&T?
Hmmm ... might have to throw in Poeltl and a first.
As long as they throw in LDN and some cash, say, $5mil?
The old Spurs showed that the way to beat a guy that good is to make him take a lot of shots to get his points. As long as he's shooting 38%, I don't care if he scores 60 in Game 2.
In Game 1, both teams shot a pretty piss-poor percentage, but the Bucks out-rebounded Toronto 60-46. And with their length, the Bucks stand a good chance of keeping that rebounding advantage. So Toronto is going to have to be more efficient. I know it's easier said than done, but if they can keep him from getting into rhythm it's enough. And the Bucks' roster is built to do that.
Again, unless something changes from the rest of the playoffs, TOR NEEDS contributions from others. PHI is not that good, ORL is not very good and Kawhi isn’t good enough to beat an actual good team like MIL himself like before. It’s not a knock on Kawhi; he has been great these playoffs.
But if TOR doesn’t get the others stepping up consistently, I don’t think the games will even be all that compe ive.
people here seem to forget quick
Woj on Oct 31, 2014
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/spurs-...PV6ZlGes1p4MlcSan Antonio Spurs star Kawhi Leonard plans to explore restricted free agency next summer after contract extension discussions ended, his agent Brian Elfus told Yahoo Sports on Friday afternoon. Elfus and Leonard have held firm on their desire for a maximum contract extension, something Spurs management won’t consider until July.
“We feel Kawhi is deserving of a max contract, and we are disappointed that something couldn’t get done,” Elfus told Yahoo Sports. “There’s no debating Kawhi’s value. The market has been set. He’s done everything the Spurs have asked of him, exceeded all of their expectations. Coach [Gregg] Popovich has gone out of his way to call Kawhi the future face of the franchise. We have great respect for the Spurs organization, but here, we simply agree to disagree.
After that Elfus worked out the 90 million dollar max contract with the Spurs
March 2016
Kawhi Leonard has parted with agent Brian Elfus of Impact Sports Management, a league source tells Jake Fischer of SI Now (Twitter link). The reason for the split is unclear, as Leonard signed a five-year contract for the maximum salary with the Spurs just this past July. Players are normally the catalysts for agent changes, since the representatives work for them, though sometimes agents make the decision to end the relationship. A change of agents sometimes has more to do with off-court endorsement deals than with NBA contracts, though Leonard has long shied from the spotlight and has been reluctant to promote himself in commercials.Leonard remains with Impact Sports Management, and the change is simply a matter of who does what for Leonard within the agency, as Zach Lowe of ESPN.com clarifies
Elfus tells Fischer that he has “stepped back from off-the-court negotiations” for Leonard but says no other change has taken placeA lawsuit filed in federal court last month says that Kawhi Leonard's ex-agent, Brian Elfus, is owed at least $1.4 million by the sports management group currently managing Leonard, Impact Sports Basketball. The complaint sheds light on the inner workings of the company, including that Leonard's mother, Kim Robertson, and uncle, Dennis Robertson, have been on the payroll "for at least the last five years," and that payments were made to a "KL3" and "KL4" for a combined value of more than $33,000 -- all without Elfus' knowledge. Elfus represented Leonard from 2011 to 2016Elfus argues that he was such an integral part of Leonard's extension that Spurs general manager R.C. Buford penned him a letter that thanked him for "(keeping) Kawhi a part of our family for years to come."
The lawsuit also cites an ESPN article that suggested the beginning of the Kawhi Leonard-Spurs drama was in 2016, when Frankel became Leonard's agent.
Spurs sources point to Elfus' departure in 2016 as a turning point in the relationship. He had maintained a strong relationship with the Spurs' front office and coaching staff and generally managed the relationship without incident. - Michael C. Wright of ESPN
By the way Frankel at that point only managed Kawhi and Jeff Ayres. His client list right now aren't much better
https://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Mitch-Frankel/143
According to Bleacher Report’s Ric Bucher, the fact that Frankel doesn’t have any other “significant clients” is making it hard for teams to get a read on whether or not they can re-sign him. Frankel doesn’t have that kind of equity with anyone in the NBA. Even if he swore to a team that Leonard would absolutely commit to them for the long haul, it’s highly unlikely a team would put all their faith in his words. That’s a great way for a team to get burned
so 2nd opinions happened before and didn't cause any friction when Elfus was still in the mixWhen Leonard had a wrist injury that wasn't responding to treatment in 2014, his agents, Brian Elfus and Mitch Frankel, pushed for a second opinion. The matter was resolved without any hard feelings going forward, a person familiar with the situation said.
Said another league source with direct knowledge of the situation, "Kawhi is the same person. The only thing that has changed about him is the people speaking for him now."That expansion did not go as planned, however. According to records obtained by ESPN, six UCC liens have been filed against Frankel in Florida since 2011. Former Impact Sports employees contacted by ESPN attributed those financial troubles to Impact's venture into basketball. Records indicate Frankel borrowed money from companies such as Cobalt Sports Capital and JS Sports Funding.Frankel admitted he is no longer with Impact even though he is Leonard's registered agent on file with the NBPA. Robertson confirmed he was a contractor for Impact Sports for several years before Frankel left the company. Now he says he has an arrangement with Frankel directly, where he's paid as a consultant.it's actually 22 million offered by Jordan Brand I think, but anywayThe article goes on to describe Robertson as “difficult” and alleges, citing sources, that Leonard’s uncle was “trying to parlay his nephew’s success into his own marketing company.” Robertson is not a certified agent and was trying to set up a company similar to LeBron James’ company, LRMR, according to ESPN. A source is then quoted as saying that Leonard “really trusts” Robertson. ESPN reported in March 2018 that Robertson had walked away from a $22 million extension offer from the Spurs because he felt it was not good enough for Leonard. Back in 2014, Robertson spoke glowingly about the Spurs telling ABC News, “I’m going to tell you, this is the perfect spot for him. If he wasn’t in San Antonio, I don’t know that he would be Kawhi Leonard right now.”
Even Uncle Dennis thinks Spurs molded Kawhi into a superstar
Sources claimed that the tension between team and player began with the dismissal of Elfus. They cite poor communication and ‘ulterior motives’ on the part of Uncle Dennis and Mitch Frankel as the root of the problem. They claim that, once Uncle Dennis felt betrayed by the Spurs over the injury, the relationship could not be mended. Leonard’s loyalty, it appears, stuck with his uncle and not the Spurs.There is growing su ion among a collection of NBA agents — a naturally su ious group — that Robertson is aiming to build his own marketing company with his nephew as its signature client, and would like to position Leonard in a glamour market to do so. Multiple agents say Robertson — a former banking executive — has approached other players about wanting to be their managerLeonard’s team of advisers — including his agent, Mitch Frankel, and his uncle and business manager, Dennis Robertson — reportedly believes the league’s most low-key superstar can over time make up the financial difference in endorsement money and a new shoe deal if he moves to a higher-profile marketIn an episode of ESPN’s First Take in February 2018, Stephen A. Smith said that he believed that Dennis Robertson was the source of the problems between Leonard and the Spurs. Smith said, “Let me say this: I’ve been told directly that the uncle has been the problem. So I’m not deducing it to the uncle. I have been told directly that the uncle has been a problem for the organization, even though he has categorically denied that.”
The reason why they waited so long to move him:One source close to Buford said the longtime executive admitted to him that he's constantly losing sleep over how and why the relationship with Leonard has disintegrated.
Nephew. Spurs did it right by sending him to Canada and now he doesn't play defense anymore and misses games due to load management. Spurs just gotta be aggressive in free agency and get back on track to being a contenderYou can never say done because everybody thought that the Aldridge thing was over and that there was no chance to salvage that," one of the people said. "Pop went in and smoothed it over. You can't underestimate the power of the Pop in these situations."
Banning the league from the league for gambling never made any sense.
MJ was and is a notorious gambler, but as ridiculously compe ive as he is, he would never have bet on anyone but himself.
Thanks for posting this.
I remember reading all this during all the drama. But it was nice to remember how much of an impact Uncle Dennis had in this whole situation.
Someone posted earlier that Kawhi is a victim in all this. And based on this, thats correct. But most people assume that he's a victim of how the Spurs treated him, "alienated" him and whatnot. But no, he's a victim of his Uncle and Impact Sports. Its pretty obvious.
while Kawhi is balling out of control in the playoffs DePression is out here giving these kind of interviews. the state of the franchise
It's always a shame to see these guys who were supposedly humble, quiet hard workers show their true colors once they hit the big time. Nurse is a cuck but still, you just don't do that to a coach. Butler is the same way.
Metro Nurse getting dad D'ed by Nephew
Yeah, I think this finally tells the tale, however chopped up it was. Thanks OP!
I've seen most of this elsewhere but when put together into one long story pieces together, it's clear what happened. A mix of an injury with bad actors constantly chirping in his ear. And those bad actors have bad or self-enriching motives. This is almost entirely on them. Uncle Dennis and Frankel deserve 50% of this blame for the breakdown in the relationship. Kawhi deserves 45% for not standing up for himself and seeing the ulterior motives involved from his uncle and agent, and I'll give 5% to the Spurs for not getting in front of the lies and distortions being told to him. They don't deserve a bit of blame for any injury problems because they sent him to a second doctor as early as the prior summer to his departure. And I'm not even convinced as to what extent his injury was real anyways, as much as it was psychosomatic from his freaking agent and uncle piping that into his head. This is Stockholm Syndrome type . his handlers and shame on him for being so gotdamn gullible. I'm guessing he might not be so readily molded by his uncle were it not for his father's murder though, so in solmec ways this can be blamed on America's social failures and gun culture that makes them so accessible by the masses. the NRA too, just because.
I have never been so wrong about someone I didn't know personally like I was when it comes to this guy. It just not only us radom fans on a message board, but I assume even Pop and RC (who said he was losing sleep over the whole saga) were completely caught off guard. They never could detect the selfish, piece-of- tedness nature of Kawhi's character until it was too late.
From here on out, I'm definitely assuming the worst when it comes to those extremely anti-social, introverted types..
Yes, Milwaukee Spurs taking a on Load Management!!!!
Kawhi and company getting blown the out. Might get swept tbh
Bucks bench has three or four players better than the second best player of the raptors, this is one of the deepest teams ever created, it's scary.
Bucks stacked tbh. And they have the perfect talent fit. All 3pt shooters around Giannis is a great combo, even the bench has 3pt shooters. Many of them aren't just shooters like Danny Green so that's also a plus.
We may not ring for another 10 years but as long as that got doesn't ring in that time, so be it, tbh.
All about having fun.
Spurstalk has been trying to get ilyasova for some time tbh. Beli acquisitions have taken priority.
Makes a triple, commentator says he is good, Ilyasova makes one much much harder and crickets.
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