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So did every other spur on the injury list... And so did pop who sat healthy players
If he treated Kawhi, he would have said it... That doctor doesn't know
So did every other spur on the injury list... And so did pop who sat healthy players
What's su ious about it? It's not like Kawhi wouldn't have gotten paid... He gained nothing from playing those 9 games with regards to the contract... Them choosing to play his commercials when he started playing was strategy... They have to actually pay to run those commercials... It would be stupid to run commercials of a guy not playing...
U realize killing them with facts and logic... And that parakeet line had me in tears!
I never said he "lost his endorsements", . Read - I said his deal with Nike ended almost a year later, didn't I?
His commercials weren't airing, because he hadn't played in the better part of a year. The talking heads on the sports shows were starting to openly question his future in the league. (I'm sure I can dig up clips, if you're too lazy to look for yourself.) I don't think a "Bold Like Kawhi" campaign was going to play too well, when he wasn't even sitting behind the team bench.
The Spurs had been saying that he was medically cleared to play. But HIS medical team said he wasn't. Then they suddenly said that he could play... just in time for him to Pimp the new Nikes. And he came out and ran, jumped, and banged, and never showed any signs of pain or disability. Then, when the campaign was successfully launched, he just... disappeared. No explanation other than a very disgusted Pop saying that he was out indefinitely. I posted video of his last game - you tell us where you see him even flinch when he comes down hard on that leg.
You don't understand because you don't want to understand.
This thread should have stayed in the Kawhi official news thread, its become just another toxic place for Kawhi suckers... Its not even really new information, just stuff we already knew Uncle was thinking or would say about Kawhi/Spurs.
The launch was already planned and announced, . Kawhi's "people" cleared him to play for the launch, not the other way around. But you're right. It would be stupid to air commercials of a guy not playing. Which is why TheSportsDaily mentioned that nobody was airing his commercials. You proved my point.
And, yes, he had something to gain. First of all, most endorsement deals don't include doing commercials. They represent their sponsors, and the sponsors get to use the athlete's image. But they don't get to call the guy and say, "Come shoot another commercial" any time they want. I don't know how Kawhi's contract was structured, but it's not unlimited access for a flat fee. More important, Kawhi's deal with Nike was coming up for renewal. Taking care of your sponsor is what you do when you're going to be looking for a new deal. If he lets their new shoe launch twist in the wind, how do you think they deal with him next time?
Think. Then post.
It wouldn't be Spurstalk if everyone did that.
You're the same dumbass who said Larry Brown has never won a champion...sit your dumb ass down son
Conspiracy no doubt but absolutely plausible.
The timing is su ious. You're right about that. It could explain why Leonard played during that particular time period.
About the doctors tho. Doctors are advisors. They give an opinion, but they don't make any final decision.
It was always up to Leonard, himself, to decide if he could play, and it was his responsibility to inform Coach Pop if he could. Then it was up to Coach Pop to decide if he would include Leonard on the active roster and use him in a game. Any doctors involved were just consultants in all that.
I wanted to mention that just because it's so easy for everyone - I don't mean you - to exaggerate the role of the docs. The ultimate decision was always between Leonard and Coach Pop.
Sure. But as long as his medical guys were saying he couldn't play, there was no way Pop was going to demand he get on the floor. The Spurs, and Pop, have always been very cautious when it comes to player health.
Come to think of it though, I've never had a chance to see how player insurance is written. But if a doctor (any doctor) says a player isn't medically fit to play, and the team puts him on the court anyway, I bet the policy wouldn't cover if he got badly injured. If that's right, that would be the next thing to the doctor having the last word, because nobody would take that chance. What's for certain is that Pop didn't put Nephew back on the floor until HIS medical team said it was okay. And they just "happened" to decide he was well enough to play right when the Nike campaign was about to be released. I don't claim to have any inside information, but I just don't believe in that much coincidence - especially when there are millions of dollars involved.
Yes it is, fool.
They are not, fool.The staff are doctors!
No, he does not know Leonard's medical history, fool.Dr. Garrett knows his medical history ...
That's nice. And they told you they were "doctors," which you understood as not meaning chiropractors, but rather MDs, or at least they gave you that strong impression, so you're repeating it here, you say? If that is true, they should be reported to the Attorney General. In Texas, it is a serious violation of the law to pretend to be an MD when someone is not.I went there for treatment of my plantar fasciitis and I am able to walk. ...
Is that why you're posting, to provide public evidence that Airrosti may have committed a serious violation of Texas law?
You are not doing them any favors here, kiddo, with things like that. If you truly appreciate the service you received, you should not make public statements implying they may have broken the law.
Look at this. I'm now defending Airrosti, while you're trying to send whoever treated you to prison. Weird.
Stop it.
You have totally misunderstood. That is not why I am posting here. Here, I am posting simply on the point of what's medically valid, versus what is not. It's an important distinction, unless you're cool with having your kidney transplant done by a dental assistant.I know you want to give Quitter excuses and blame the Spurs for everything ...
What I think about Leonard and the Spurs. If you want to know. My view of the Leonard situation, regardless of the injury dispute, and all the huge cloud of hot air, is that when he ceased participating in basketball activities for the Spurs, the Spurs should have stopped paying him.
I don't know the details of Leonard's contract with the Spurs. But I'm sure it's a payment-for-services type of arrangement. And it has to be about basketball and basketball-related activities on behalf of the Spurs. It has to be.
My criticism of the Spurs boils down to what I view as an unsound business practice. They kept paying a guy who wasn't doing what he contracted to do. Too late now, but they shouldn't have done that.
It's a free country. Somebody wants to leave, sure, he can leave. Totally fine, no problem, it's the American way. But you don't have to pay him after he leaves. When the Spurs did, they made a multi-million dollar mistake. The point where they cut him off should probably have been when he went to New York after the nine games he played. Hindsight is 20/20 of course. Too late now. But the Spurs had every right to stop paying him. No service, no payment.
The Spurs have gotten too free and easy with their money in recent times. In my opinion. There's the money to Leonard they weren't obligated to pay - in my opinion - when he ceased participating. There's the astoundingly generous contract to Mills, far beyond his market value. In my opinion. When they did trade Leonard, they traded him for a lesser player but a more expensive contract than Leonard's last one. There's been a couple other things they've done, as well.
It just doesn't look like sound business to me, what the Spurs have been doing. I'd like to see my Spurs return to le contention, but that's going to be a long haul if they keep throwing so dang much money down the rathole. As I see it. So now you know "the bottom line" of what I think of all this.
timvp should merge this with the kawhi thread.
Sounds about right lol
I don't know that Pop ever had any direct communication, himself, with the docs in N.Y. I have the impression, from media statements, that he didn't.
Pop was relying on Leonard to tell him directly if Leonard was good to go or not. My impression, from media statements, is that Leonard was not keeping Pop informed.
I believe their reputation for that is well deserved.The Spurs, and Pop, have always been very cautious when it comes to player health.
I don't know what the insurance policies say, either, but I doubt they say that. For one thing, the very best medical advice that could be given to any NBA player is, "don't do that," because injuries are universal in the sport of NBA basketball. Basically, all the players get hurt, sooner or later, and the insurers don't need to ask a doctor to know it. The insurers probably handle it by making the cost of the insurance very high, rather than relying on any individual medical consultations. I suspect it's just beastly expensive insurance.Come to think of it though, I've never had a chance to see how player insurance is written. But if a doctor (any doctor) says a player isn't medically fit to play, and the team puts him on the court anyway, I bet the policy wouldn't cover if he got badly injured. ...
I believe it was when Leonard, himself, told Pop it was ok.What's for certain is that Pop didn't put Nephew back on the floor until HIS medical team said it was okay. ...
But that does not contradict what you wrote about the timing. Indeed, it tends more to support your argument, because it was Leonard himself who was paid by Nike, and not his doctors of course.
I don't think Leonard, himself, is that conniving, or whatever you'd call it. From him personally, I can't see it. But he does have various people around him, including his now-infamous uncle. Among those characters, I could see it.
U sound stupid as ... Ur claiming the marketing strategy wouldn't work because he wasn't sitting on the bench with the team, so they brought him out for the 9 games...
1. Why would Kawhi play if he is still making his money... He wouldn't lose the endorsement by not playing
2. He wasn't sitting on the bench toward the end of the season... So u claiming that's the reason they didn't run the ads is a lie, because the ads were run in the first half of the season... Liar
I can't believe you're this dumb... Athletes get injured ALL the time and don't lose their endorsements... Kawhi would not have had to do anything to please anyone because he wouldn't have lost his endorsement... Just like every other athlete
He'd still have the base endorsement rate if he was injured, but wouldn't get any cut of his branded logo shoe/apparel sales. Here's an article from 2017 that shows most shoe contract money is in the sales royalties and bonuses from sales...not the actual multi-year contract amount that is announced.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad.../#39e9a1811520
"The headline numbers on new shoe deals are often inflated and include bonuses and optimistic royalty payouts. The yearly guarantees are often much lower and can include reductions if sales tank...
Durant’s seven-year, rookie shoe deal with Nike was worth $60 million (bonuses added millions more when sales took off and Durant won a league MVP and four scoring les). He inked a 10-year extension with the sportswear giant in 2014 worth as much as $300 million, including royalties."
This is the first time I've seen Zeus' take on the situation, but it helps make the short 9 game comeback make sense to me. If Nike doesn't air the commercials, his shoes/branded apparel won't have a chance at selling well and earning him those royalty checks.
You know Tony's age was more of a factor rather than "rushing back too soon"
You really lose any credibility on takes like this
He still had any credibility? This dude lost all credibility a long time ago.
Yeah he should talk orders from you
you're all dumb. gtfover it already
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