TrueHoop: Kawhi to re-sign with the Raptors

[TD 21]

Nephew is gone. The trade is done. Ship sailed. Breakup complete. Nothing that happens from here on out changes that. The sooner emo Spurs fans realize that, the better off we will all be, to be completely honest.

You're not seeing the forest from the trees, so I'll spell it out for you: The pathetic "value" the Spurs accepted was supposedly due to a combination of his questionable health and likelihood of bolting to his native L.A. in a year. If that was either never true or has changed, said pathetic "value" looks even worse.

If it was, the Spurs end up looking marginally better, as the Raptors, who embarrassed them, will essentially become Spurs East (albeit with a more certified building block, in Siakam).

The sooner you stop attempting to cover up for your god and pretending to be evolved ("over it"), the better off we will all be.

[timvp]

The pathetic "value" the Spurs accepted was supposedly due to a combination of his questionable health and likelihood of bolting to his native L.A. in a year. If that was either never true or has changed, said pathetic "value" looks even worse.

What's funny is your brain understands but your emtions have clouded your perception of how time works.

Nothing that happened after he got traded can change his value at the time he was traded. When he was traded, Nephew had successfully tanked his value. Teams had injury concerns and non-L.A. teams didn't know if he was willing to re-sign -- plus his overall character was in question. As a result, luminaries such as Terry Rozier, Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric, Kyle Kuzma, etc. were taken off the table in trade discussions.

Whether Neph went on to never play basketball again or went on to win the next 12 NBA championships doesn't change his value at the time of the trade. Whether the trade looks good or looks bad in retrospect also doesn't change his value ... or change anything for anyone who isn't wallowing in sorrow about the breakup.

She left. She changed the locks. Looks like she might get married. She's happy. Move on, tbh.

[TD 21]

What's funny is your brain understands but your emtions have clouded your perception of how time works.

Nothing that happened after he got traded can change his value at the time he was traded. When he was traded, Nephew had successfully tanked his value. Teams had injury concerns and non-L.A. teams didn't know if he was willing to re-sign -- plus his overall character was in question. As a result, luminaries such as Terry Rozier, Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric, Kyle Kuzma, etc. were taken off the table in trade discussions.

Whether Neph went on to never play basketball again or went on to win the next 12 NBA championships doesn't change his value at the time of the trade. Whether the trade looks good or looks bad in retrospect also doesn't change his value ... or change anything for anyone who isn't wallowing in sorrow about the breakup.

She left. She changed the locks. Looks like she might get married. She's happy. Move on, tbh.

I never said otherwise. I'm saying, the premise that they did the best they could, was rooted in the 2 things I said. If they turn out to be false, then the Spurs' ing up increases tenfold.

I'm not "wallowing in sorrow", but pretending it was anything less than devastating for the franchise is worse than those who are. Barring extreme luck again, the only thing this franchise will be moving on to, is a long term future without so much as a roadmap back to contention. Only a loser would be content with that.

[TDMVPDPOY]

kawhi still living rent free

while spursfans still have to put up with 2 depressing wankers, 1 wombat, 1 instagram got on the team....

[timvp]

I never said otherwise. I'm saying, the premise that they did the best they could, was rooted in the 2 things I said. If they turn out to be false, then the Spurs' ing up increases tenfold.

How? The Spurs weren't the ones pulling Terry Rozier and Markelle Fultz out of trade proposals. You can't use future outcomes to retroactively improve trade proposals. Neph's value was low and sinking. His value at that point in time will remain the same whether the Raptors win the championship or if they get backdoor swept and he leaves. Thinking otherwise is a form of delusion.

Wipe away the tears, tbh.

I'm not "wallowing in sorrow", but pretending it was anything less than devastating for the franchise is worse than those who are. Barring extreme luck again, the only thing this franchise will be moving on to, is a long term future without so much as a roadmap back to contention. Only a loser would be content with that.

1) A franchise player leaving a small market team is the assumed rule. Nothing devstating about it, tbh. Robinson and Duncan were exceptions.

2) To be fair, you wallowed in sorrow during the golden years so I shouldn't be surprised you've continued.

3) You gave up repeatedly before the 2014 ring so, again, I shouldn't be surprised you've already given up going forward.

[DPG21920]

timvp - why are you scared of Kawhi? I mean, wherever he ends up, East or West, SA should be building and worrying about their own squad. Take on everyone. Build the best team you can.

Sure, I definitely get the more great players/teams in the West the harder it is to win; but I really don’t care where he goes in the context of really leaning he stays. I would be fine with the prospects of making him pay by beating that a** over and over.

[DPG21920]

Also, I disagree some with the premise that expected can’t also = tough. Even if it’s expected, it’s still sucks to see. As fans that buy into players and the team, its still tough to deal with especially when said player is really good.

Shouldn’t dwell on it and need to be realistic but I definitely have moments watching him where I think “f that guy” but most of the time I just feel bad that it all went down in the first place and now both are likely worse off (even though they will both be fine).

[timvp]

timvp - why are you scared of Kawhi?

Not scared. Just like I always root for an Eastern Conference team to win the draft lottery, I root for free agents to go to or stay in the East. Less talent in the West is better for the Spurs. Pretty simple, tbh.

[timvp]

Also, I disagree some with the premise that expected can’t also = tough. Even if it’s expected, it’s still sucks to see. As fans that buy into players and the team, its still tough to deal with especially when said player is really good.

Shouldn’t dwell on it and need to be realistic but I definitely have moments watching him where I think “f that guy” but most of the time I just feel bad that it all went down in the first place and now both are likely worse off (even though they will both be fine).

I mean, the situation sucked. I've admitted it sucked. As a fan, it was sad to see. But that's almost a year ago now -- and the situation started crumbling like 18 months ago at this point. Hanging on every Raptors game to retroactively change Nephew's value makes no sense and is a waste of time.

At some point, Spurs fans will need to get over it . . .

[DPG21920]

I mean, the situation sucked. I've admitted it sucked. As a fan, it was sad to see. But that's almost a year ago now -- and the situation started crumbling like 18 months ago at this point. Hanging on every Raptors game to retroactively change Nephew's value makes no sense and is a waste of time.

At some point, Spurs fans will need to get over it . . .

That I agree with. I hated Kawhi for a while, but after seeing him get booed in SA then his a** whooped I genuinely felt bad about the whole situation.

But this lame needling from the media is what is annoying. They are the narrative pushers and right now it’s all anti-SA.

[TD 21]

How? The Spurs weren't the ones pulling Terry Rozier and Markelle Fultz out of trade proposals. You can't use future outcomes to retroactively improve trade proposals. Neph's value was low and sinking. His value at that point in time will remain the same whether the Raptors win the championship or if they get backdoor swept and he leaves. Thinking otherwise is a form of delusion.

Wipe away the tears, tbh.

1) A franchise player leaving a small market team is the assumed rule. Nothing devstating about it, tbh. Robinson and Duncan were exceptions.

2) To be fair, you wallowed in sorrow during the golden years so I shouldn't be surprised you've continued.

3) You gave up repeatedly before the 2014 ring so, again, I shouldn't be surprised you've already given up going forward.

I already explained. "Neph" didn't need to be traded when he was. The Timberwolves didn't virtually immediately kowtow to Butler and neither did the Pelicans with Davis. The Spurs panicked, instead of forcing the puke's hand. If was what had to be accepted, then you hold it off until necessary and you accept it from a team where he has no chance to contend. They literally did everything wrong.

1) Again, it was how he handled it and what they accepted more so than the act itself and it is devastating. You just suffer from affluenza, so you have no appreciation for the difficulty of finding superstars because this organization lucked into having one for the better part of 30 years.

It could easily be something like 20-40 more before they get another one and they're due for it to be.

At king apologist taking shots at someone else's credibility. This from a guy complaining that Spurs fans need to get over it, while simultaneously allowing it to dominate discussion on his fledging board because of the traffic it generates.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Maybe his group finally decided to stop making crap financial decisions? It would cost him another $40M to leave. Or, just maybe they realized it’s a terrible look to have your meal ticket miss 25% of the season, and be dragging his leg up and down the court in the playoffs. They may be in take what you can get mode.

If "playing in a bigger market" was ever a serious issue then Toronto is a bigger market so there you have it. If he goes to Brooklin, LA, etc then you have your answer about the "market question"

[timvp]

You just suffer from affluenza, so you have no appreciation for the difficulty of finding superstars because this organization lucked into having one for the better part of 30 years.

Wallowing in sorrow won't bring her back, buddy. Sorry.

It could easily be something like 20-40 more before they get another one and they're due for it to be.

Good to know you've given up, as per your par. You've been busy giving up since your first days on ST. I would be more worried if you had dropped the white flag for once.

At king apologist taking shots at someone else's credibility. This from a guy complaining that Spurs fans need to get over it, while simultaneously allowing it to dominate discussion on his fledging board because of the traffic it generates.

It works out better to let emo Spurs fans vent rather than every thread turning into a wallow fest.

[TD 21]

Wallowing in sorrow won't bring her back, buddy. Sorry.

Good to know you've given up, as per your par. You've been busy giving up since your first days on ST. I would be more worried if you had dropped the white flag for once.

It works out better to let emo Spurs fans vent rather than every thread turning into a wallow fest.

At the lack of reading comprehension and conceding by way of pla udes, king apologist/hypocrite.

[MaNu4Tres]

Not buying it.

[Mugen]

I enjoy TD21 v timvp back n' forths tbh.

[acoelho1]

Look, the trade was lost the second Kawhi asked to be traded and we had no leverage based on the cir stances. Also, I can't cheer for the Warriors but I don't want Kawhi to ring either. The compe or in me wants the Spurs to beat out Kawhi on a championship. With all the mistakes we made with this fiasco, PAFTO still has my full confidence that we will have a contending team in the near future.

[hater]

Mute Cancer

[ZeusWillJudge]

She left. She changed the locks. Looks like she might get married. She's happy. Move on, tbh.

Or you could spend the rest of your life stalking the bas who turned her against you, and tell everyone what a loser he is. Maybe that'll make her love you again and come back.

[spurraider21]

I enjoy TD21 v timvp back n' forths tbh.

its kinda sad when you're more of a wallowing defeatist than mr "it still hurts" himself

[Realdeal1]

I can see kawhi re-signing with the raptors for 2 more years and then head to the lakers when Lebron retires to be the face of the lakers and to avoid playing with Lebron

[DMC]

It's going to depend on what he values most. If he wants a chance to make the Finals every year, he will have that in Toronto but not in the West unless he joins GS. if he wants to get paid and live and play in LA, he'll join a team in that region and make them better than they were. Money is money either way. These days you don't need to win a ring to cash in both in the salary and endorsements. All he needs to do is avoid the impression that he's gimpy.

[DMC]

I already explained. "Neph" didn't need to be traded when he was. The Timberwolves didn't virtually immediately kowtow to Butler and neither did the Pelicans with Davis. The Spurs panicked, instead of forcing the puke's hand. If was what had to be accepted, then you hold it off until necessary and you accept it from a team where he has no chance to contend. They literally did everything wrong.

1) Again, it was how he handled it and what they accepted more so than the act itself and it is devastating. You just suffer from affluenza, so you have no appreciation for the difficulty of finding superstars because this organization lucked into having one for the better part of 30 years.

It could easily be something like 20-40 more before they get another one and they're due for it to be.

At king apologist taking shots at someone else's credibility. This from a guy complaining that Spurs fans need to get over it, while simultaneously allowing it to dominate discussion on his fledging board because of the traffic it generates.

Butler and Davis didn't leave the state and stay gone without communicating at all with their front offices. There's a difference between wanted a trade (LMA) and abandoning your post in hopes of being fired (Kawhi).

[DPG21920]

You don’t tank your value and try to force your way to LA just to be deterred but the lovely winters in TOR

[BackHome]

Yeah I think Uncle Fester is going to try to milk New York, Flakers, Clippers, and Raptors to put up money not just contract but endorsements, paid positions, etc.