Alrighr LJ, let’s hear it...

[J_Paco]

I don't even want a player that doesn't really want to be here.

Timmy,Manu,Tony,Pop - set the standard.

If you need to be begged - you aren't really a Spur.

If you are a man - and the only way for you to get a woman is to beg her or convince her that she should choose you -

or

you are a woman and the only way for you to get a man is to beg him or convince him to choose you -

you don't really have anything good.

Sooner or later - this person will be tempted and will cheat anyway and will leave you and betray you the minute that this cheater finds someone or something that is "more beneficial" for them -

instead of staying with someone whom they had to be convinced or had to be begged into staying with in the first place.

In other words - they never really wanted to be with you in the first place - they just got convinced to try you out for a bit.

Kawhitter never really bled Silver and black and now I actually hate giving up Georgie Hill for this piece of quitter.

If the proud Spurs franchise and its (formerly) great fans weren't enough for you to proudly play here, be loyal, weather the ups and downs, get along great with teammates, and give your body and soul to the franchise -

then GTFO - we don't want you.

If wearing the Spurs uniform for life and fighting back through injuries and at the very least - sitting with your teammates on the bench while THEY go out and battle -is too much of a burden for you -

then GTFO.

I don't give a about Kawhitter and am glad he is gone - I cannot even believe this is an issue and cannot believe REAL spurs fans are whining and crying and ing and moaning about a quitter -

who never really wanted to be a SPUR.

Have some ing pride and represent this proud franchise and at least be a respectable fan if you want a respectable team

or

GTFO and go fellate your quitter hero.

Truth!

Preach, homie!

[dbreiden83080]

I don't even want a player that doesn't really want to be here.

Timmy,Manu,Tony,Pop - set the standard.

If you need to be begged - you aren't really a Spur.

If you are a man - and the only way for you to get a woman is to beg her or convince her that she should choose you -

or

you are a woman and the only way for you to get a man is to beg him or convince him to choose you -

you don't really have anything good.

Sooner or later - this person will be tempted and will cheat anyway and will leave you and betray you the minute that this cheater finds someone or something that is "more beneficial" for them -

instead of staying with someone whom they had to be convinced or had to be begged into staying with in the first place.

In other words - they never really wanted to be with you in the first place - they just got convinced to try you out for a bit.

Kawhitter never really bled Silver and black and now I actually hate giving up Georgie Hill for this piece of quitter.

If the proud Spurs franchise and its (formerly) great fans weren't enough for you to proudly play here, be loyal, weather the ups and downs, get along great with teammates, and give your body and soul to the franchise -

then GTFO - we don't want you.

If wearing the Spurs uniform for life and fighting back through injuries and at the very least - sitting with your teammates on the bench while THEY go out and battle -is too much of a burden for you -

then GTFO.

I don't give a about Kawhitter and am glad he is gone - I cannot even believe this is an issue and cannot believe REAL spurs fans are whining and crying and ing and moaning about a quitter -

who never really wanted to be a SPUR.

Have some ing pride and represent this proud franchise and at least be a respectable fan if you want a respectable team

or

GTFO and go fellate your quitter hero.

This basically sums up my feelings as well. He is a great player. I am not saying otherwise. But there was a miscommunication, he was too soft, not up to the challenge, whatever the problem was I really don’t care. Congratulations on the championship. And we Move on. You Move on in your career. The team moves on with their own future. That’s it.

[dbreiden83080]

And let me also say this. This team had Tim Duncan. Tim is one of the 10 greatest players that ever shot a basketball. Now I am not asking somebody to be that great. But Tim was the ultimate leader, and the ultimate compe or. He wanted to win more than anybody.

Thst is the standard for the organization. Why would you ever settle for anything less than that? This dude is not Tim Duncan. He doesn’t have the mental toughness, he doesn’t have the team first mentality. He quit on the team. Why don’t some of you understand this?

[Spurs Homer]

And let me also say this. This team had Tim Duncan. Tim is one of the 10 greatest players that ever shot a basketball. Now I am not asking somebody to be that great. But Tim was the ultimate leader, and the ultimate compe or. He wanted to win more than anybody.

Thst is the standard for the organization. Why would you ever settle for anything less than that? This dude is not Tim Duncan. He doesn’t have the mental toughness, he doesn’t have the team first mentality. He quit on the team. Why don’t some of you understand this?

you. Nailed. It.

[Big Empty]

I don't even want a player that doesn't really want to be here.

Timmy,Manu,Tony,Pop - set the standard.

If you need to be begged - you aren't really a Spur.

If you are a man - and the only way for you to get a woman is to beg her or convince her that she should choose you -

or

you are a woman and the only way for you to get a man is to beg him or convince him to choose you -

you don't really have anything good.

Sooner or later - this person will be tempted and will cheat anyway and will leave you and betray you the minute that this cheater finds someone or something that is "more beneficial" for them -

instead of staying with someone whom they had to be convinced or had to be begged into staying with in the first place.

In other words - they never really wanted to be with you in the first place - they just got convinced to try you out for a bit.

Kawhitter never really bled Silver and black and now I actually hate giving up Georgie Hill for this piece of quitter.

If the proud Spurs franchise and its (formerly) great fans weren't enough for you to proudly play here, be loyal, weather the ups and downs, get along great with teammates, and give your body and soul to the franchise -

then GTFO - we don't want you.

If wearing the Spurs uniform for life and fighting back through injuries and at the very least - sitting with your teammates on the bench while THEY go out and battle -is too much of a burden for you -

then GTFO.

I don't give a about Kawhitter and am glad he is gone - I cannot even believe this is an issue and cannot believe REAL spurs fans are whining and crying and ing and moaning about a quitter -

who never really wanted to be a SPUR.

Have some ing pride and represent this proud franchise and at least be a respectable fan if you want a respectable team

or

GTFO and go fellate your quitter hero.

Even If the Spurs offered him the max, didnt question his injury, his excuse then would have been that the Spurs misdiagnosed him and coulda costed him his career, and thats why he woulda left anyways. Kinda of like the analogy here. He wanted out and woulda found anything to blame to look innocent. Thats why i dug up the old link when Spurs extended LaMarcus and Gasol. We knew Kawhi was gone after that just didnt know he would pull the injured all year card. Its why he appreciated a coach that had the same goal in mind. Thats the dead giveaway and confirmation. Im not blaming Pop & RC they do a great job. But tying up LA after a God awful performance when Kawhi went down and paying 18 million of cap for 3 years to an old Gasol dampened Kawhi and his circles confidence like it did all of ours. If u ask me, the WANTED the Spurs to question the injury just to create an excuse to be mad and demand a trade. Thats what happened. Trying to dissect who was wrong and who screwed up is just an excuse frisby they threw for u to chase. Kawhi was gonna leave anyway this summer if he was a Spur. He wanted the Spurs to make moves to put younger peices in place.

[r0drig0lac]

And let me also say this. This team had Tim Duncan. Tim is one of the 10 greatest players that ever shot a basketball. Now I am not asking somebody to be that great. But Tim was the ultimate leader, and the ultimate compe or. He wanted to win more than anybody.

Thst is the standard for the organization. Why would you ever settle for anything less than that? This dude is not Tim Duncan. He doesn’t have the mental toughness, he doesn’t have the team first mentality. He quit on the team. Why don’t some of you understand this?

we already did it

[Spurs Homer]

Even If the Spurs offered him the max, didnt question his injury, his excuse then would have been that the Spurs misdiagnosed him and coulda costed him his career, and thats why he woulda left anyways. Kinda of like the analogy here. He wanted out and woulda found anything to blame to look innocent. Thats why i dug up the old link when Spurs extended LaMarcus and Gasol. We knew Kawhi was gone after that just didnt know he would pull the injured all year card. Its why he appreciated a coach that had the same goal in mind. Thats the dead giveaway and confirmation. Im not blaming Pop & RC they do a great job. But tying up LA after a God awful performance when Kawhi went down and paying 18 million of cap for 3 years to an old Gasol dampened Kawhi and his circles confidence like it did all of ours. If u ask me, the WANTED the Spurs to question the injury just to create an excuse to be mad and demand a trade. Thats what happened. Trying to dissect who was wrong and who screwed up is just an excuse frisby they threw for u to chase. Kawhi was gonna leave anyway this summer if he was a Spur. He wanted the Spurs to make moves to put younger peices in place.

I agree with a lot here -

except - I disagree - and do not believe that "kawhi wanted younger pieces" or
"why didn't kawhi have a say in players blah-blah"

I just never buy that.

I am pretty sure superstars think they can win a le all by themselves and everyone else can just "pass me the ball'

I am sure some players are into chemistry, some into having their buddies, some into the right offense, etc...

but this bull of a 24 year old kid dictating to a front office that has won 5 les and has been in the playoffs every year since the jurassic age -

is pure ing bull -

IMHO.

[Seventyniner]

we already did it

And we're going to have to from now on. There probably won't ever be another Tim in the league, let alone on the Spurs.

[dbreiden83080]

we already did it

Shaq left Orlando as a FA
KD left OKC
Look at all these star players wanting trades now
AD this year Kyrie in Cleveland etc.. This is just the norm now.. Players just move around like crazy..

Leonard may stay in Toronto 1 more year and then be off to LA..

[dbreiden83080]

And we're going to have to from now on. There probably won't ever be another Tim in the league, let alone on the Spurs.

And we were insanely fortunate to have him. Spurs have 5 chips. That is 5th most all time. Only the Celtics, Lakers, Warriors, and Bulls have more.. So we have been very lucky.

[ace3g]

I did. it's just certain people saying random / not knowing , and an accusation. That's it. No real revelation.


Plus other things we already knew like other teams were set up better to win.

I cringe every time I see that photo - that can't happen in today's NBA...

[Dennis the Menace]

I cringe every time I see that photo - that can't happen in today's NBA...

Pop and RC should be forced to look at that photo first thing every morning they walk into the office

[Keepin' it real]

I cringe every time I see that photo - that can't happen in today's NBA...

I know, they need to tell Ronnie Garretson to get a toupee already.

[UZER]

I cringe every time I see that photo - that can't happen in today's NBA...

Hold my beer.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

For the life of me, I can't understand why any of this matters at this point...asking for the "real" story - as if we haven't heard probably 70% of it or more already - is silly.

Kawhii is being influenced by his uncle and probably other family members. He probably wanted to be drafted by an LA team but since then he's been looking for a chance to get back there. This injury, along w/ all the BS associated w/ the situation (were PATFO, retired players, current players, etc.) all contributed to him wanting out.

He left.

The team got what they considered as the best package of individuals they could for him as well as ridding themselves of D Green's contract (I would suppose they tried to get rid of Mills but Toronto didn't need another PG). Hindsight being what it is, DD's lack of outside shooting is significant liablity in the Spurs offense.

I would just a soon let the Kawhi issue die on the vine. He's a great player who I happen to dislike because I feel as if his immaturity led him to handle a professional situation less than professionally. So, instead of discussing him and building new threads about him every 3 days, I would suggest we all just let it go.

[FkLA]

It's really disappointing how many people want to burn the Spurs culture because Nephew is a generational talent. Cater to him and let Uncle have influence within the organization because he's really good at basketball. that. That goes against everything that the Spurs stood for during a run that got them 5 rings and turned them into the most revered organization in all of sports. If it was Timmy or some other Spurs' legend that spoke up against their bull I'm glad. Besides, Neph (and his Uncle) obviously allowed his ascension to supers om to get to their head, so there's no guarantee they don't eventually seek out a bigger market anyway. The list of superstars that have left smaller markets for brighter lights is long, so why are some of you so convinced that the Spurs would've been immune to that if they would've just catered to them?

Pop and the culture is the only thing preventing us from descending into obscurity like Sacramento, Orlando, or other smaller, comparable markets. It's not worth giving that up for 5 years max of a generational talent, imo. If PATFO drafts like they have the last few years, our Spurs will be back next year. I'm excited for the off-season. It's wide open next year, and I don't think there will be any team that the Spurs have no shot against (like it was against GS with Durant)--that includes Nephew's Raptors/Clippers.

[duncan2k5]

this. For all the misgivings about Pop, no one can ever question about his priority toward's his players health. If not, how could it even be possible for Duncan, Ginobili and even Parker play for so long and at a high level until their late 30s. If they were with other teams their career would have ended much earlier (considering all the injuries they piled up over their nba career).

Pop in 2000 was VERY different from Pop now... If last season was Pop's second year, there's no way he publicly throw shade at Kawhi... Kawhi's injury would be a non-issue... But he has had damn near twenty years with Manu and Parker... He wanted them to retire in dignity with a strong championship push on Kawhi's back

[spurraider21]

Could Kawhi come back this summer?

[duncan2k5]

My take so far: If Kawhi really flipped the script on the team that traded a good player to draft him, built him up, got him his first Finals MVP, and made him the "franchise player" over something that one or two guys said to him...that's a move, tbh.

I'm sure the Spurs weren't without fault by the medical staff or the people surrounding Kawhi. This just in...people aren't perfect. Neither are doctors (which I can clearly attest to as a person who has lost a father to cancer and dealt with several misdiagnoses for my mother's).

That doesn't give a guy to reason to turn his back on the franchise who built him but Kawhi is just another person who isn't perfect.

I think there is a lot of truth to the fact that Kawhi wanted out, and used these "reasons" to make it so. Spurs fans need to stop lamenting about what could have been, and realize the guy got what he wanted.

It's time to move on.

I have a warped way of thinking... Teams don't make players franchise players... That's not how it works

[duncan2k5]

I don't even want a player that doesn't really want to be here.

Timmy,Manu,Tony,Pop - set the standard.

If you need to be begged - you aren't really a Spur.

If you are a man - and the only way for you to get a woman is to beg her or convince her that she should choose you -

or

you are a woman and the only way for you to get a man is to beg him or convince him to choose you -

you don't really have anything good.

Sooner or later - this person will be tempted and will cheat anyway and will leave you and betray you the minute that this cheater finds someone or something that is "more beneficial" for them -

instead of staying with someone whom they had to be convinced or had to be begged into staying with in the first place.

In other words - they never really wanted to be with you in the first place - they just got convinced to try you out for a bit.

Kawhitter never really bled Silver and black and now I actually hate giving up Georgie Hill for this piece of quitter.

If the proud Spurs franchise and its (formerly) great fans weren't enough for you to proudly play here, be loyal, weather the ups and downs, get along great with teammates, and give your body and soul to the franchise -

then GTFO - we don't want you.

If wearing the Spurs uniform for life and fighting back through injuries and at the very least - sitting with your teammates on the bench while THEY go out and battle -is too much of a burden for you -

then GTFO.

I don't give a about Kawhitter and am glad he is gone - I cannot even believe this is an issue and cannot believe REAL spurs fans are whining and crying and ing and moaning about a quitter -

who never really wanted to be a SPUR.

Have some ing pride and represent this proud franchise and at least be a respectable fan if you want a respectable team

or

GTFO and go fellate your quitter hero.

Tim had to be begged... How quickly we forget

[duncan2k5]

And let me also say this. This team had Tim Duncan. Tim is one of the 10 greatest players that ever shot a basketball. Now I am not asking somebody to be that great. But Tim was the ultimate leader, and the ultimate compe or. He wanted to win more than anybody.

Thst is the standard for the organization. Why would you ever settle for anything less than that? This dude is not Tim Duncan. He doesn’t have the mental toughness, he doesn’t have the team first mentality. He quit on the team. Why don’t some of you understand this?

Pop sucked LMA off after he demanded a trade and gave no reason until AFTER no one wanted him and he was forced to sit and talk with Pop

[Fusternino]

I basically skip everything duncan2k5 writes, haha.

[daslicer]

I basically skip everything duncan2k5 writes, haha.

The smartest move you can do in here.

[apalisoc_9]

Duncan2k5

Actually had the privilage to meet with multiple spurs superstar. Iirc hes talked to timmy, big three, kawhi.

Hes more connected than most patfo fluffers.

[DMC]

The same Spurs fans who were so happy to trade Kawhi are now saying the front office screwed up.

Meanwhile, lone voices in the wilderness like me who have been saying from the start that Leonard should never have been traded in the first place are now fully vindicated.

Well you're both wrong. He should have been traded because he wasn't going to play and the Spurs had to move on. Holding on to him through the next season would be throwing away a season for Pop and for the team. I wasn't happy to trade him. I just know there wasn't a real option that was better than that. It's not like he was delivering his side of the contract, he was in NY for 's sake. He wasn't even around during the playoffs. There was no mending those fences.

It doesn't matter if he won a ring or not, how how great he is or will be. It doesn't change anything.