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Keldon j can back him up.......yikes
Got ya - I was reading it as you wouldn’t sign him to 4/12
Keldon j can back him up.......yikes
There's a wide gap between prioritizing guys like Johnson and playing Beli. There are plenty of options who have legit combo-forward size and aren't unplayable like Stan is. The Spurs don't need to save by "only" giving Johnson $3 Million. They have $9 Million. Spend it on someone who's worth it. Get a legit rotation player (something I've been advocating in our discussions for a while). They have three forward projects already.
The Spurs need to upgrade their 1-10 talent level rather than just adding to their back end. Johnson platooning with Beli for the last rotation spot as the big change for this off-season is ridiculous in my mind. They simply don't need either player if they're so limited. Trade for someone. Use the MLE on someone. , let Keldon into the rotation.
I like him and RHJ. If Spurs could pick up one of them who they think they can work on there outside shooting, I'd do it.
I can't say I disagree with what you're saying completely, but I think you're talking apples and oranges here. Your first post was talking about getting him as a 4 and here you're discussing needing a combo forward.
The people here that want him aren't looking for someone who can play the 4. We have Aldridge to play the 4 in big lineups, Gay (provided he re-signs) to play the 4 in small ball lineups, and Bertans when we need a stretch 4. We aren't looking for another combo forward. We need an actual 3 who can stay in front of faster 3's and be able to switch off onto guards when needed and this guy fits the bill.
I think what you're trying to say is this guy doesn't fit the need you see for the team but most of us here believe he does because we feel we need a real 3 on the team. Enough with with square pegs in round holes already. Beli and DDR are not Small Forwards no matter how they try to make them fit.
Spurs have always had interest in Stanley Johnson, including trying to trade for him last year, if my memory is correct. There must be something about his potential that they like. The guy has been dumped by what, three teams? I wouldn't say he has no market, but I don't think teams are going to get into a bidding war over his services. I'm sure the Spurs will kick the tire. If they can get him for the right price, they might do it. Yes, they have other guys they can develop, but maybe they see with his size, speed, and aggressiveness that they can turn him into a top notch defender and maybe they think they can transform his abysmal shooting. But if they get him, he probably won't be usable except in limited situations, so he's definitely not a person I'd spend the mid level on unless the Spurs strike out on every small forward that would get consistent minutes in the rotation.
I think most Spurs fans are wrong. I don't think the team needs a three. I think we all are thinking of the same archetype, but you guys are saying that's an SF, and I'm saying that's a PF. Gay isn't a "small-ball four"; he's just a four. The Spurs need someone like him to start as the everyday PF but who is better a defense and a consistent shooter. What they don't need is a 6-7 guy who can't shoot just because he fits the physical profile of what an SF was seven years ago (which wasn't even true then). It's like saying you need a center to play next Aldridge because LMA fit what a PF was back then.
DeRozan is a small-forward. Sure, you can put him at the two and be fine if you have a big guy who can shoot next to him. But he's not outsized by any star SF nowadays. He's slow-footed and isn't guarding guards. Even with that, it's fine to but someone like Bogdanovic next to him if you also bring in a defensive four to balance out the lack of footspeed on the wings. Trying to put in a guy like Johnson just pisses all over the spacing. I have no interest in this Swiss army knife approach where you mix and match 12 guys. Get a good unit together and make teams adjust to you, not the other way around.
1. Trade Beli and Bertans for Bojan.
2. Sign Stanley for part of the MLE (4M?).
3. Make Nikola a last offer for the remainder of the MLE. He has to earn the big payday at the end of that contract.
4.!Prepare for the championships.
People don't seem to comprehend that this team is overloaded with rotation players from 1-3 as is (and even in the unlikely event they trade Bertans/Belinelli and sign Bogdanovic, they'd still be). They need a 4 who's a good shooter first and foremost, but also a mobile enough defender to do something resembling a credible job defending overpowering big wings. Basically, a rich man's Cunningham.
Outside of Marcus Morris, which isn't happening for obvious reasons, JaMychal Green is the closest thing to this available.
Potato, potahto. All this small-ball, positionless play has made having discussions a pain in the ass. They're calling guys SF's who are really only 6'5", and guys who are only 6'7" or a hair over. That works fine for small ball offense.
Players are, overall, more athletic than they were a decade ago. On defense they close quicker, and they can double and recover quicker than they did. The inside game is MUCH more difficult than it was back then, if there aren't multiple guys who are a legit 3P threat on the floor. If the Spurs had a guy who could defend 3 and 4, but could also shoot from the perimeter, DeRozan could be a lot more effective. As it is, they collapse on him any time he looks like he might move to the rim. With that big defender also posing a serious 3P threat, DeRozan would run amok in the paint.
You just get into a lot of unnecessary arguments because people are talking SF and they mean a 6'8" guy. You're talking PF, and you mean a 6'8" guy - because the Spurs can't afford any of the few 6'10" guys who have elite lateral quickness and can shoot.
The Spurs have painted themselves into a corner with this roster construction. They just can't afford to add a guy like Johnson who they may like for his defense, but who just can't do anything to space the floor. If DDR was even adequate shooting 3's, it would make a big difference. But he isn't. Johnson doesn't fit because he can't shoot for , and the Spurs can't afford to put him on the floor with this roster construction.
Last edited by ZeusWillJudge; 06-28-2019 at 11:34 AM.
Spurs should have picked up Cabocolo last season like a lot of Spurstalk posters were clamoring for. Pop almost always refuses to make late season cuts. Would have been better to dump Cunningham or Pondexter for him. Possible chance SF problem would be solved with Caboclo, who seems to be figuring it out, behind Gay.
this is literally the reason spurstalk wants him
i dont like him as much as ST seems to, but at 3-4 mil apy he would be a nice pickup. he's basically a pre-jumpshot aminu who is young enough to still develop one
He's a G League project. That is all.
I’m surprised at what a bust he’s been tbh. He had a man’s body coming into the league at 19 years old. Thought he’d be a good player by now. Still only 23 though, and he does play some D. Maybe Spurs could turn him into a serviceable player tbh.
we have an abundance of 3 point shooters that are defensive liabilities...(mills, forbes, belli, bertans) and our main 2 scorers are not 3 point shooters...looks like none of you has understood that our main problem last year was defense and perimeter defense in particular...that's the main problem we have to solve because, despite the lacking of a complete player with a 3 point shot, we didn't do so bad on offense last season...and that's one thing that SJ can do at a more than adequate level and some that, imho, with appropriate coaching and after one year of tutelage, he could even do at an elite level. In few words, he has the skills to replace n° 2 defense (a thing that, for example, Cunningham wasn't able to) while let the other 4 players take care of the offense being just a fifth option (corner threes and garbage baskets on offensive rebounds).
I would sign him to a 2 year deal, second year non guaranteed, with hope that he could be turned into an NBA player.
Player development means everything; the tools are there. We must stop having selective memories, did non established Bruce Bowen have a better looking upside than SJ! No! I say this to emphasize, until properly coached up we don’t know what this kid can be. One thing is for sure, he’s not soft nor a coward!
I agree that JaMychal Green is most likely to be affordable.
People don't seem to comprehend that this team is overloaded with rotation players from 1-3 as is (and even in the unlikely event they trade Bertans/Belinelli and sign Bogdanovic, they'd still be). They need a 4 who's a good shooter first and foremost, but also a mobile enough defender to do something resembling a credible job defending overpowering big wings. Basically, a rich man's Cunningham.
Outside of Marcus Morris, which isn't happening for obvious reasons, JaMychal Green is the closest thing to this available.
I've heard nothing but radio silence regarding this guy as of this afternoon (July 1).
No rumors, no nothing.
Anyone have any news?
try a chinese station
Last edited by kobyz; 07-01-2019 at 02:45 PM.
With his flaws, he’s not top priority for anyone. Especially since so many teams are looking for shooting.
At best. Spurs do not need a project SF/PF. They need an immediate contributor.
Oops, wrong thread.
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