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    Guys, is this the deepest team in the history of the Spurs???????

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    Guys, is this the deepest team in the history of the Spurs???????

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    Right now 2005 is but if Murray and walker break out this year and White improves from last year, Morris does what he did last year.. then it’s possible to come within spitting distance of the 2005 team .. may I remind that was a championship team

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    Heres the problem with that you have 3 forwards that have 50 million latched to them gay , Morris , and Carroll.. unless an injury happens poodle can’t start .. even if you put Carroll at back up sf .. who’s gonna play backup center.. ebanks um no thank you .. so your gonna pay Morris 20 million and Gay 30 million to be an odd man out.. let’s say you put one at back up sf.. then your putting 16 million on the table wasted you can’t play them all unless one starts.

    Pretty sure I said minutes are going to be a problem. But what they paid for each guy is absolutely immaterial to winning. (Big in the fans' mind, but has nothing to do with what happens on the court, once the roster is set.)

    The thread is about "current" depth chart. There is no current depth chart, so I assume the real question is how they start the season. Everyone should know that Pop will be tinkering with lineups, so we're really just talking about who starts at the beginning of the season.

    White played so well, and he has the most current success running the point. Unless he looks terrible in preseason, I think he starts.
    DDR and Aldridge are starting, the only real question is how they're listed, based on the other two players.
    Forbes played 2,300 minutes (like I already said), and his 3P shooting is vital. That would make DDR the SF.
    So the real question is whether Pop starts Poeltl, or slides Aldridge to C and starts Gay or Morris PF. I could see that easily enough, but I give the nod to Gay.

    I said I think Poo starts the season the way he ended the last one. I still do. I also said I think Pop is then going to tinker with lineups. I still do.

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    The only reason I want Murray and white to start is cause there so good at defensive .. however I can see the point to starting Forbes and poodle.. I agree pop will mix in preseason and I have no doubt white will improve this offseason as he’s a hard worker

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    Guys, is this the deepest team in the history of the Spurs???????

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    They're deep. No Duncan, Parker, Manu, so talking about 2015 is sort of over the top. But, yeah, they're deep - especially if everyone lives up to their potential. I'm not sure that everyone has caught on, though, that they have a BUNCH of players who fill more than one gap. We're talking about Aldridge sliding from PF to C. But Gay is a SF or a PF. DeRozan is a 2 who's been playing the 3. Patty is listed as a PG, but he's a 3P shooter who could come in for Bryn. Morris. Carrol.

    The depth chart doesn't line up as grade-school simple as 1a/1b 2a/2b etc. I know a lot of people think Pop has to keep Aldridge and Poeltl as centers, so everything lines up neatly. But it's going to be a lot more situational than that. Now, if these guys gel, and there's a starting 5 that is so synergistic that they can play their game and force opponents to react, that's what we'll see. But to start the season? I think we'll see continuity, just like we have nearly every season for the last 20 - with the possible switch of Poeltl/Gay I mentioned.

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    Think Morris wanted team to make him starter on his free agent decision
    That goes directly against Pop's "nobody bigger than team" philosophy.. doubt Pop/RC would have tolerated that type of at ude

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    That goes directly against Pop's "nobody bigger than team" philosophy.. doubt Pop/RC would have tolerated that type of at ude

    None of us ever sat in on the actual meetings, but the word has always been that the Spurs don't guarantee anyone minutes. With Gay's medical history, I could see him coming off the bench but still playing a lot of minutes. So Morris starting at PF and Aldridge at C? I could see it happening. But I have a hard time picturing the Spurs guaranteeing it.

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    Spurs fans have a love/hate relationship with lakers... we love to hate everyone who represents the purple and gold

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    They're deep. No Duncan, Parker, Manu, so talking about 2015 is sort of over the top. But, yeah, they're deep - especially if everyone lives up to their potential. I'm not sure that everyone has caught on, though, that they have a BUNCH of players who fill more than one gap. We're talking about Aldridge sliding from PF to C. But Gay is a SF or a PF. DeRozan is a 2 who's been playing the 3. Patty is listed as a PG, but he's a 3P shooter who could come in for Bryn. Morris. Carrol.

    The depth chart doesn't line up as grade-school simple as 1a/1b 2a/2b etc. I know a lot of people think Pop has to keep Aldridge and Poeltl as centers, so everything lines up neatly. But it's going to be a lot more situational than that. Now, if these guys gel, and there's a starting 5 that is so synergistic that they can play their game and force opponents to react, that's what we'll see. But to start the season? I think we'll see continuity, just like we have nearly every season for the last 20 - with the possible switch of Poeltl/Gay I mentioned.
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    i wish Clarkson would arrive in Spursland

    so that we have a Filipino in the Spurs! hehehehehe

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    Bellinelli for Clarkson, anyone????

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    Pretty sure I said minutes are going to be a problem. But what they paid for each guy is absolutely immaterial to winning. ...
    That's the Spurs, alright. What we pay for a player has absolutely nothing to do with winning. You've nailed it.

    Just kidding. I wish.

    I said I think Poo starts the season the way he ended the last one. I still do. I also said I think Pop is then going to tinker with lineups. I still do.
    You say you think the season will start and end with poo?? No, wait, I see.

    Pop ended the season with Mills and Forbes, and White on the bench.

    Mills - Forbes - DDR - Gay - LMA. That's the last lineup against the Nugs. And I hope never to see it again. Especially the Mills part.

    At least we have a couple of true SF possibilities to talk about now.

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    Starters :
    PG - Murray
    SG - Forbes
    SF - DeRozan
    PF - Morris
    C - Aldridge

    Bench:
    PG - Mills
    SG - White
    SF - Carroll
    PF - Gay
    C - Poeltl

    Wild card is Walker. If he's truly that improved and can crack the rotation this opens up a lot of options and possible two for one trades. Belli's situation doesn't look promising.

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    Not sure why everyone thinks Gay comes off the bench. He is the only true wing player that knows the system, defend and shoot the 3 for spacing. All the 3pt shooters are bench players. Spurs need spacing and some hustling in the lineup.
    I would go....
    PG-Murray
    SG-Derozan
    SF-Gay
    PF-Morris
    C-Aldridge

    White and Forbes/Mills , manage Guard spots, with Walker, Carroll and Poertl up front. Spot duty for Mills and Belinelli when needed to space the floor.
    No playing time for Samanic at all, same for Metu, with spot duty for Keldon Johnson, I like his at ude and hustle. Spura lacked heart and hustle at time. I think they got it back with Morris, Carroll and Johnson, vocal guys who have some fire in them.
    Yeah, Spurs got 3 guys who are willing to play with a lot of contact!

    That's 3 new players... that's a lot. This should change the entire personality of this team!

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    It makes me sick to my stomach to see folks having DeRozan play SG.
    Please elaborate.

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    with the addition of Morris and Carroll Spurs will be able to create and take advantage of a lot of mismatches

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    None of us ever sat in on the actual meetings, but the word has always been that the Spurs don't guarantee anyone minutes. With Gay's medical history, I could see him coming off the bench but still playing a lot of minutes. So Morris starting at PF and Aldridge at C? I could see it happening. But I have a hard time picturing the Spurs guaranteeing it.
    Exactly

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    Sometimes you have to look at the body language of players. Some guys have that "IT". Those are the guys that being that mental and physical toughness. Sometimes, they want that challenge, of taking that shot, guarding the best player. I think Marcus Morris and Caroll will bring that "IT" factor to the Spurs. Aldridge, and DeRozan may have more talent but they dont bring that "IT". Helps to being the energy to start a game and finish a game. One if them need to start, to bring toughness and defense immediately. Marcus Morris and Caroll bring that "IT", good example for the young players too. Something to add to the culture that has been lacking since Ginobili left.

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    That's the Spurs, alright. What we pay for a player has absolutely nothing to do with winning. You've nailed it.

    Just kidding. I wish.



    You say you think the season will start and end with poo?? No, wait, I see.

    Pop ended the season with Mills and Forbes, and White on the bench.

    Mills - Forbes - DDR - Gay - LMA. That's the last lineup against the Nugs. And I hope never to see it again. Especially the Mills part.

    At least we have a couple of true SF possibilities to talk about now.

    You don't get paid extra in life for being a dumb . The starting lineup in the last game of the season was White, Forbes, DeRozan, Aldridge, and Poeltl. The Spurs have valued roster continuity for the last couple of decades - which is probably longer than you've been alive. That lineup is familiar with each other. I'm not convinced that the 2-big lineup is the best thing, so maybe Gay instead of Poeltl. But starting that group would be consistent with the Spurs' philosophy since Pop has been here.

    Since you can't seem to understand the salary issue, I'll make it easy: The highest paid player on the Raptors was Kyle Lowery, at $31M. He came off the bench a lot this past season, behind a PG making $8.6M. Once the roster is set, it doesn't make a rat what any player gets paid. You put out the combinations that give you the best shot at winning.

    I know you thought that making cute little comments was your best shot at getting laid in high school. You're in college now - try saying something smart instead. It'll happen sooner or later.

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    You don't get paid extra in life for being a dumb . ...
    You need to tweet that to Bernie Sanders. It's the foundation of his entire political career: promising more money to the dumb s who vote for him. But I digress.

    The starting lineup in the last game of the season was White, Forbes, DeRozan, Aldridge, and Poeltl. The Spurs have valued roster continuity for the last couple of decades - which is probably longer than you've been alive. ...
    Flattery will get you nowhere. The Spurs valued roster continuity because they had three HOFers. Makes it easy. Zeus was the greatest of the gods, but who was the 14th or 15th greatest? That's where it gets hard to tell, when we're trying to sort the lesser lights of the pantheon..

    One of the more intriguing facets of the preseason will be the question of Murray and White, and which does what. I'm looking forward to it, as I know you are.

    That lineup is familiar with each other. I'm not convinced that the 2-big lineup is the best thing, so maybe Gay instead of Poeltl. But starting that group would be consistent with the Spurs' philosophy since Pop has been here.
    I have my hopes up that training camp and the preseason might matter, as well.

    Since you can't seem to understand the salary issue, I'll make it easy: The highest paid player on the Raptors was Kyle Lowery, at $31M. He came off the bench a lot this past season, behind a PG making $8.6M. Once the roster is set, it doesn't make a rat what any player gets paid. You put out the combinations that give you the best shot at winning.
    Lowry started all 65 games that he played during the rs. He did not come off the bench behind VanVleet. But be that as it may,
    Murray is scheduled for $2.3 million, and White for $1.9. Bargains, both. Our closer at pg, in the last game against the Nugs, was Mills, at $11.6 million last year. I'm sure it's only an ironic coincidence that when it mattered most, Pop went with the money, and lost. But Murray was unavailable, as we know, and there were other factors.

    I know you thought that making cute little comments was your best shot at getting laid in high school. ...
    Well, you go with what works. Cute comments. A bright smile. A charming manner. Alcohol.

    You're in college now - try saying something smart instead. It'll happen sooner or later.
    You want something smart, instead of something that smarts. I'll see what I can do.

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    Lowry started all 65 games that he played during the rs. He did not come off the bench behind VanVleet.

    You're right about Landry starting - just not at PG. (Everything else you've said was too stupid to keep reading.) I drug up the first name that came to mind because I didn't want to get into the fact that the Spurs had a $1.5M starting PG, with an $11M player coming off the bench. You would have just ed about Mills having a bad contract, which is true. Starters on rookie scale are almost always making less than their backups.

    The point... still... is that salary has nothing to do with anything, once the roster is set. You don't decide on rotations based on salary. You put in the players that give you the best shot at winning. You don't force the SL based on how much you recently paid for a vet.

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    You're right about Landry starting ...
    Your spelling corrector is dissing you. Strike it with a lightning bolt.

    I drug up the first name that came to mind ...
    "Dug" up? Definitely lightning bolt time. Zap it. Or are you being idiomatic?

    The point... still... is that salary has nothing to do with anything, once the roster is set. You don't decide on rotations based on salary. You put in the players that give you the best shot at winning. You don't force the SL based on how much you recently paid for a vet.
    And you insist on that based on something I wrote. I can't quite pin down what I wrote to incite that, but, good for me!

    Anyway, back on topic. I'm hoping White's 3pt shooting improves enough over the summer so that it becomes possible to start him at the 1 and DDR at the 2, with a 3pt threat from the guard positions. Else, it looks like Murray and Forbes.

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    Starters :
    PG - Murray
    SG - Forbes
    SF - DeRozan
    PF - Morris
    C - Aldridge

    Bench:
    PG - Mills
    SG - White
    SF - Carroll
    PF - Gay
    C - Poeltl

    Wild card is Walker. If he's truly that improved and can crack the rotation this opens up a lot of options and possible two for one trades. Belli's situation doesn't look promising.
    Not sure Pop will force Aldridge to play the 5.
    I think we will see a line up close to last year with the exception of DJ's return.

    PG - Murray/Forbes (Pop will most likely give Murray a slow return)
    SG - White
    SF - DD
    PF - Aldridge
    C - Poetl


    By Christmas, I think Murray and Morris enter the SL and perhaps White goes to the bench to give a spark to second unit similar to Manu in the past... DD moves to SG and Aldridge plays more 5 in the middle and end of games.

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