Woj: Marcus Morris Reneging on Agreement with Spurs?

[Atl Spur]

Sad day? Yeah right dude! How can you miss what you never had? San Antonio will still make it happen with or without this dude. Google us if you don’t believe me�� We have gotten real spoiled over here I’m seeing; embrace the hard decisions!

[ZeusWillJudge]

Wait, you think they screwed over Simmons? They had him as a RFA. Why the would htey have renounced him at the start of free agency? Doing it at all was a massive favor. What a bad take.

Look really close at what I said. I didn't say they "screwed him", did I? I said I didn't like the way they handled it, and that I thought it was a raw deal for him. They were definitely within their rights, but I think they could have cut him loose without a second thought.

They knew they weren't going to sign him. Mostly they had to be pretty sure that they weren't going to match the kinds of offer sheets that he was going to get.

If they had just not done the QO, he would have been free from the start. I'm not saying they had to do that at all. But it would have been better for him if he was free and clear at the start of that FA period. IIRC, he didn't help his own cause by making statements about how much he thought he was worth. I could be remembering that part wrong, but I think he did.



I went on to say that I don't think this was karma for either of those deals. They did what was their right to do, just like Morris did. I don't like any of it. If you do, that's your right, too.

[beirmeistr]

How can the knicks offer large sums of money that they don't have? Silver should get involved.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Hanga thing was handled poorly but when it comes to JSimms, they had no obligation to make him unrestricted. If anything they did him a solid by eventually doing that. Theres plenty of restricted FAs that have been kept when they made it clear they wanted to leave. Eric Gordon comes to mind, when he wanted to leave NO to be a cornerstone in the PHX.

The difference, at least in my mind, is that I don't think the Spurs really wanted to keep Simmons. Letting him get the biggest payday he could would have been a nice thing.

I know, I know... it's just business.

[SpursDynasty85]

Look really close at what I said. I didn't say they "screwed him", did I? I said I didn't like the way they handled it, and that I thought it was a raw deal for him. They were definitely within their rights, but I think they could have cut him loose without a second thought.

They knew they weren't going to sign him. Mostly they had to be pretty sure that they weren't going to match the kinds of offer sheets that he was going to get.

If they had just not done the QO, he would have been free from the start. I'm not saying they had to do that at all. But it would have been better for him if he was free and clear at the start of that FA period. IIRC, he didn't help his own cause by making statements about how much he thought he was worth. I could be remembering that part wrong, but I think he did.



I went on to say that I don't think this was karma for either of those deals. They did what was their right to do, just like Morris did. I don't like any of it. If you do, that's your right, too.

They wanted to sign him. Simmons begged them to let them go eventually and spoke with Pop one on one because he said besides money he really wanted a tom of playing time and focus on the offense. Something you know Spurs couldnt gaurantee him.

[Atl Spur]

The difference, at least in my mind, is that I don't think the Spurs really wanted to keep Simmons. Letting him get the biggest payday he could would have been a nice thing.

I know, I know... it's just business.

He was an asset they should have leveraged better; he was done a solid by them. He is a dime a dozen talent in this league, he just didn’t know it to now. The clock is ticking on his NBA career; could of made money forever here but got fooled by the glare of fame!

[Blackhaus]

How can the knicks offer large sums of money that they don't have? Silver should get involved.

They do have the money correct? Bullock hasn’t signed. They are just going back on their original deal with him so they money was never technically gone. It’s just shady by everyone involved but the spurs

[MannyIsGod]

Look really close at what I said. I didn't say they "screwed him", did I? I said I didn't like the way they handled it, and that I thought it was a raw deal for him. They were definitely within their rights, but I think they could have cut him loose without a second thought.

They knew they weren't going to sign him. Mostly they had to be pretty sure that they weren't going to match the kinds of offer sheets that he was going to get.

If they had just not done the QO, he would have been free from the start. I'm not saying they had to do that at all. But it would have been better for him if he was free and clear at the start of that FA period. IIRC, he didn't help his own cause by making statements about how much he thought he was worth. I could be remembering that part wrong, but I think he did.



I went on to say that I don't think this was karma for either of those deals. They did what was their right to do, just like Morris did. I don't like any of it. If you do, that's your right, too.

Equating keeping a RFA around who may be a piece to our puzzle or a trade piece is not the same as Morris and equating it as such is an incredibly bad take. 2 for 2 my man.

[Pavlov]

According to KHRISJohnsonNBA, Marcus Morris will sign with NY. Just waiting for NY and Bullock to agree on a new deal.

Khris Johnson
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Senior to whom?

[timvp]

According to KHRISJohnsonNBA, Marcus Morris will sign with NY. Just waiting for NY and Bullock to agree on a new deal.

Looks like a troll account with a handful of followers, tbh.

[Marcus Bryant]

Reggie Bullock being fine with having the Knicks pull the $20MM football Lucy style will be a strong indication something is up. All because of...plantar fascilitis.

[Pavlov]

I guess we can be pissed about it, but if the contract wasn't signed....

[BackHome]

How and why would Bullock take less money?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Equating keeping a RFA around who may be a piece to our puzzle or a trade piece is not the same as Morris and equating it as such is an incredibly bad take. 2 for 2 my man.

Show me where I "equated" any of that. Point it out or STFU. You don't get to put words in my mouth, and then blame me for them, asshole. And I'm not your man.


I know I'm not the only one who didn't think there was a snowball's chance in that Pop would have Simmons back on the team the next year. I suppose the Spurs could have leveraged the QO by trying to force him into a S&T deal. But are you guys saying you thought he was THAT good? Nobody here seemed to think so at the time. If he was really worth that much to the Spurs, then they did a ty job of leveraging it.

He would have gotten a lot more at the beginning of that crazy FA period. But he wasn't going to bring in a S&T, and you all knew that. Or maybe you didn't, and that's why you're arguing now. The Spurs COULD have let him go without all the delay, but they didn't have to. I would have liked to see them do that, since I really don't think he was going to be a long-term "answer" for the roster, at any price. If they were just trying to capture some of his temporary "value" in a S&T, fine. But like I said, they did a ty job of it, didn't they?

But I'd bet that all three of you would have cried like babies if the Spurs had matched an offer sheet for Simmons that off season.

[K...]

How and why would Bullock take less money?

Because the window for free agents has passed, so they're aren't places here could go for the same $$. Or a under the table deal. Or he's really hurt and can't expect more.

[MannyIsGod]

Show me where I "equated" any of that. Point it out or STFU. You don't get to put words in my mouth, and then blame me for them, asshole. And I'm not your man.


I know I'm not the only one who didn't think there was a snowball's chance in that Pop would have Simmons back on the team the next year. I suppose the Spurs could have leveraged the QO by trying to force him into a S&T deal. But are you guys saying you thought he was THAT good? Nobody here seemed to think so at the time. If he was really worth that much to the Spurs, then they did a ty job of leveraging it.

He would have gotten a lot more at the beginning of that crazy FA period. But he wasn't going to bring in a S&T, and you all knew that. Or maybe you didn't, and that's why you're arguing now. The Spurs COULD have let him go without all the delay, but they didn't have to. I would have liked to see them do that, since I really don't think he was going to be a long-term "answer" for the roster, at any price. If they were just trying to capture some of his temporary "value" in a S&T, fine. But like I said, they did a ty job of it, didn't they?

But I'd bet that all three of you would have cried like babies if the Spurs had matched an offer sheet for Simmons that off season.

I iterally quoted it. Are you not sure of what you're typing? Is English a second language for you?

[BackHome]

But don’t they have to honor his contract I don’t think he will fail medical

[ZeusWillJudge]

Equating keeping a RFA around who may be a piece to our puzzle or a trade piece is not the same as Morris and equating it as such is an incredibly bad take. 2 for 2 my man.

Never mind. You were one of the losers who pushed the rumor that the Spurs offered Simmons $9M per, and then started treating it like fact - even though they never offered him anything other than the $1.6M QO. So you make up your own stories a lot, it seems, and then fight about them. You don't have the right to go talking about bad takes.

https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/s...mmons-an-offer
"But contrary to any reports that the Spurs were interested in keeping him, come this nugget from our own Casey Keirnan that San Antonio never made Simmons an offer whatsoever."

The Spurs lifted the FA tag eventually, which they didn't have to do. It didn't take a genius to see that it would have helped him more to do it sooner. I would have preferred that route, since I don't think they wanted him to stay. It's that simple.

[FkLA]

But don’t they have to honor his contract I don’t think he will fail medical

He already failed it.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I iterally quoted it. Are you not sure of what you're typing? Is English a second language for you?

Quote it again. Bold the part where I equate the Simmons and Morris situations. You don't want to look weak in front of all these people - show what you quoted.

[Mugen]

Looks like a troll account with a handful of followers, tbh.

Question - assuming this goes down and Morris goes to NY....what kind of player do you think the Spurs could get for Bryn/Marco/1st rounder? Somebody at the level of Morris or better?

Do you think they even go that route since they seem to love Forbes?

Guessing it's just Lyles and then salary dump Beli somewhere...

[cjw]

Wait, you think they screwed over Simmons? They had him as a RFA. Why the would htey have renounced him at the start of free agency? Doing it at all was a massive favor. What a bad take.

Totally. The Spurs had him under contract and would have gladly taken him back at his tender. He wanted more money, but the rules are the rules. He couldn’t find that money ... Spurs weren’t matching any big offer sheets anyway ... he’s a replacement level player.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Yet he was supposed to get a big payday this summer...

If he's that impressed by a little relatively more guaranteed, make the guaranteed number much larger that he'd have to turn down. Yes, it rewards shadiness, but if we're looking at a two year window until Pop retires and the team is significantly overhauled, it's not the worst thing.

He's obviously an idiot, and has an unrealistic view of his market value.

I'm sure, though, in his mind, he can put up bigger numbers in New York than San Antonio, which will result in a bigger payday next summer.

[Dex]

He's obviously an idiot, and has an unrealistic view of his market value.

I'm sure, though, in his mind, he can put up bigger numbers in New York than San Antonio, which will result in a bigger payday next summer.

Maybe. He figured to be a major cog in the SA system, whereas NY is overloaded at PF and has young guys they should be developing. Him putting up empty stats there does them no good.

That said...he is probably calculating living in NY vs SA, and that's a pretty easy solution for an NBA athlete.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Totally. The Spurs had him under contract and would have gladly taken him back at his tender. He wanted more money, but the rules are the rules. He couldn’t find that money ... Spurs weren’t matching any big offer sheets anyway ... he’s a replacement level player.

LMAO. It was a $1.6M qualifying offer. Everyone knew there would be an offer sheet north of that, so why even bring it up.

Now, stop being a pussy and show us the quote where I equated the Simmons and Morris situations. You said it minutes ago, so I know you can find it.